From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 20 08:40:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25D3E16A402 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 08:40:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.web-strider.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D226513C441 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 08:40:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from coolf89ea26645 (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id l0K8egx54985; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 00:40:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Message-ID: <003001c73c6e$87665c10$3c01a8c0@coolf89ea26645> From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: References: <45AC719A.1020809@bobmc.net><008401c73adc$aab2a900$3c01a8c0@coolf89ea26645><20070118154349.587b2673@gumby.homeunix.com><010601c73b99$78bd1080$3c01a8c0@coolf89ea26645> <45b085ad.bj2Z1G8SQNxJ0p6O%perryh@pluto.rain.com> Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 00:39:40 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD challenged by Internet X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 08:40:45 -0000 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 12:47 AM Subject: Re: FreeBSD challenged by Internet > > > I doubt there is any reasonably priced ISP that will help in > > > troubleshooting a problem that's not reproducible on Windows. > > > > $19.95 a month for DSL (ISP charges) is not reasonably priced? > > WTF? > > Dunno about your neck of the woods, but last time I checked around > here Verizon was charging something like $5 or $10 a month more for > just the DSL line to connect to a third-party ISP than for the whole > package using their own ISP. Makes it difficult for independents to > compete, at least on price :( Well, if your not willing to pay the extra $5 or $10 a month to connect your FreeBSD system to DSL then I have to seriously question your leel of commitment to decent Internet service. What I don't get is I see guys walking in dropping $1000 on associated Mac hardware crap without blinking, then they squawk about paying an additional $9 a month on DSL? That grand on Mac crap will pay for 9 years of DSL at this so-called "unreasonable" rate. In any case, that pricing delta only exists if the independent hasn't signed a wholesale agreement with Verizon. If the independent has, it's a whole different ball game, pricing is completely different and quite a bit less. Basically IMHO the Verizon pricing program was designed to push the really tiny independents, ie: the guys that might have a grand total of 5 or 10 Verizon DSL customers, off of their network. (and it worked well I think) Verizon didn't want independent ISPs that wern't willing to put investment dollars into their interconnect to stay on their network. And I really can't say I blame them to be perfectly honest. The days of a guy starting an ISP in his garage for $500 and a pile of old networking gear he pulled out of a Dumpster behind some tech corporation are over. Ted