Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 00:39:40 -0800 From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@toybox.placo.com> To: <perryh@pluto.rain.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD challenged by Internet Message-ID: <003001c73c6e$87665c10$3c01a8c0@coolf89ea26645> References: <45AC719A.1020809@bobmc.net><008401c73adc$aab2a900$3c01a8c0@coolf89ea26645><20070118154349.587b2673@gumby.homeunix.com><010601c73b99$78bd1080$3c01a8c0@coolf89ea26645> <45b085ad.bj2Z1G8SQNxJ0p6O%perryh@pluto.rain.com>
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----- Original Message ----- From: <perryh@pluto.rain.com> To: <tedm@toybox.placo.com> Cc: <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 12:47 AM Subject: Re: FreeBSD challenged by Internet > > > I doubt there is any reasonably priced ISP that will help in > > > troubleshooting a problem that's not reproducible on Windows. > > > > $19.95 a month for DSL (ISP charges) is not reasonably priced? > > WTF? > > Dunno about your neck of the woods, but last time I checked around > here Verizon was charging something like $5 or $10 a month more for > just the DSL line to connect to a third-party ISP than for the whole > package using their own ISP. Makes it difficult for independents to > compete, at least on price :( Well, if your not willing to pay the extra $5 or $10 a month to connect your FreeBSD system to DSL then I have to seriously question your leel of commitment to decent Internet service. What I don't get is I see guys walking in dropping $1000 on associated Mac hardware crap without blinking, then they squawk about paying an additional $9 a month on DSL? That grand on Mac crap will pay for 9 years of DSL at this so-called "unreasonable" rate. In any case, that pricing delta only exists if the independent hasn't signed a wholesale agreement with Verizon. If the independent has, it's a whole different ball game, pricing is completely different and quite a bit less. Basically IMHO the Verizon pricing program was designed to push the really tiny independents, ie: the guys that might have a grand total of 5 or 10 Verizon DSL customers, off of their network. (and it worked well I think) Verizon didn't want independent ISPs that wern't willing to put investment dollars into their interconnect to stay on their network. And I really can't say I blame them to be perfectly honest. The days of a guy starting an ISP in his garage for $500 and a pile of old networking gear he pulled out of a Dumpster behind some tech corporation are over. Ted
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