From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Oct 14 19:37:56 1998 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG> Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA16869 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 19:37:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from noether.blah.org ([203.41.78.136]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA16858 for <hackers@freebsd.org>; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 19:37:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ada@noether.lab.usyd.edu.au) Received: (from ada@localhost) by noether.blah.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA19341; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:33:33 +1000 (EST) From: Ada <ada@noether.lab.usyd.edu.au> Message-Id: <199810150233.MAA19341@noether.blah.org> Subject: Re: Two Y chromosomes [ Was: Java-based Crypto Decoder Ring ...] In-Reply-To: <19981015105016.G586@freebie.lemis.com> from Greg Lehey at "Oct 15, 98 10:50:16 am" To: grog@lemis.com (Greg Lehey) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:33:33 +1000 (EST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: ada@bsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Turner's Syndrome (X0) sufferers tend to be short, have webbing on the neck > > and between the hands, infertile, appear to be female but do not menstruate > > and have vestigial dysfunctional ovaries. They also have strangely bent > > elbows (which bend at a typical angle of 30-40 degrees) > > Some of this matches Susanna quite well. They had the webbing on the > neck removed at birth (and presumably between the fingers). I didn't > examine her ovaries, though I'd heard of problems in that are, but I > didn't notice anything wrong with her elbows. I'd been told she was > XXY, but they definitely mentioned Turner's syndrome. What do you > mean by X0? That's what cat breeders use to describe tortiseshells. 45 X0 - 1 X chromosome only, no other sex chromosomes. as opposed to normal 46XX. The funny elbows thing is difficult to visualise. stand upright, let your hands hang loose, with your palms facing forward. notice that your forearm bends outward slightly so that you avoid hitting your hips? this angle is more pronounced in women (15-20 degrees) than in men (~12 degrees), however is very pronounced in women with turner's syndrome. -- "The fear of death is the beginning of slavery." -- Hagbard Celine To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message