From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Sep 1 16:48:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from dt010nb9.san.rr.com (dt010nb9.san.rr.com [204.210.12.185]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBFDB14D9D for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:48:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by dt010nb9.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA35119; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:47:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:47:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug X-Sender: doug@dt010nb9.san.rr.com To: Rod Taylor Cc: Brett Glass , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sorry, I just couldn't let this go by... In-Reply-To: <99090119093901.11076@a11.idiotswitch.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org One more polite request. Please, DO NOT discuss advocacy on -chat. If you want to discuss advocacy issues please subscribe to the freebsd-advocacy list and have at it. There are many of us on -chat that do not want our mailboxes filled with this stuff. Thanks, Doug On Wed, 1 Sep 1999, Rod Taylor wrote: > I'm mildly interested in what you consider these to be. Can we fix these > problems? Are they problems, or choices with long term payoffs rather than > immediate. Does FreeBSD want a larger userbase, afterall... With the good, > comes the bad. > > Rather than defending your yet to be shared thoughts. Please discuss, with me > if noone else, just what we can do. And, I suggest you ignore the overly > negative feedback, and consider only the constructive feedback. Perhaps one of > the user groups could use your thoughts to help spread it throughout their area > as a test base. If it accomplishes what is wanted, then the project is > expanded. If not, it's confined to that area or stopped should the results be > negative. I make the assumption your plan is feasible. > > On Wed, 01 Sep 1999, Brett Glass wrote: > > > Advocacy is more than just being a "booster" or shouting "Rah! Rah!" on the > > sidelines. It also involves identifying problems and solving them. It seems > > as if some of the members of this list would rather shoot the messenger than > > deal with FreeBSD's problems in the area of marketing and evangelism. Recognition > > of the problem -- which even according to David's numbers is growing > > exponentially -- is necessary before right action can be taken. > > -- > Justice is incidental to law and order. -J. Edgar Hoover > (contributed by Chris Johnston) > -- > > Rod Taylor > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > -- "My mama told me, my mama said, 'don't cry.' She said, 'you're too young a man to have as many women you got.' I looked at my mother dear and didn't even crack a smile. I said, 'If women kill me, I don't mind dyin!'" - John Belushi as "Joliet" Jake Blues, "I Don't Know" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message