From owner-freebsd-virtualization@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 15 16:42:35 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: virtualization@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB07E106566C; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 16:42:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from julian@freebsd.org) Received: from out-0.mx.aerioconnect.net (out-0-6.mx.aerioconnect.net [216.240.47.66]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 980418FC15; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 16:42:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from idiom.com (postfix@mx0.idiom.com [216.240.32.160]) by out-0.mx.aerioconnect.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id oAFGgYge013547; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 08:42:34 -0800 X-Client-Authorized: MaGic Cook1e X-Client-Authorized: MaGic Cook1e X-Client-Authorized: MaGic Cook1e Received: from julian-mac.elischer.org (h-67-100-89-137.snfccasy.static.covad.net [67.100.89.137]) by idiom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 400A32D6019; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 08:42:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4CE162FB.5070209@freebsd.org> Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 08:42:35 -0800 From: Julian Elischer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X 10.4; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Bjoern A. Zeeb" References: <4CDEFC2D.4090908@freebsd.org> <4CDF0D87.70700@freebsd.org> <4CDF1F7E.8000601@freebsd.org> <20101114042427.V78896@maildrop.int.zabbadoz.net> <4CE0E0BD.1040707@freebsd.org> <20101115073916.X24596@maildrop.int.zabbadoz.net> In-Reply-To: <20101115073916.X24596@maildrop.int.zabbadoz.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.67 on 216.240.47.51 Cc: virtualization@freebsd.org, Jamie Gritton Subject: Re: limitations on jail style virtualization X-BeenThere: freebsd-virtualization@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of various virtualization techniques FreeBSD supports." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 16:42:35 -0000 On 11/14/10 11:43 PM, Bjoern A. Zeeb wrote: > On Sun, 14 Nov 2010, Julian Elischer wrote: > > Julian, > >> this sort of dovetails into something I've been thinking about for >> a while, >> which is NUMA support. > > really good thoughts, but bad timing and wrong target audience I > think. I don't think the thought was seep enough to warrant a larger audience :-) > > 1) first of all you want the basic underlying OS support all sort of > things and as we know people are working on things here and there > and it's not only NUMA. Well yes, of course but it's interesting how various different parts of what are until now completely separate projects might some day come together in a larger picture. > > 2) before 1) is rock solid I will not even think about how to leverage > it for VIMAGE. It would really just be a waste of time; it will > however be a good idea to make sure that the proposals people come > up with in 1) will scale for VIMAGE as well, but that's a different > story. I am at least trying to keep an eye on the network stack > side. > > 3) Before VIMAGE is NOT stable we MUST NOT introduce more complexity. agreed. My only thought at the moment is to try and keep an eye on the bigger picture when changing the smaller parts. > > So if you are eager to work on this I am all for it and you should get > in touch with the folks doing 1). > > /bz >