From nobody Mon Oct 6 09:46:12 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-net@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4cgDtH3GLVz6B9l2 for ; Mon, 06 Oct 2025 09:46:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@freebsd.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::24b:4]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "R13" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4cgDtH23mBz3j20; Mon, 06 Oct 2025 09:46:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@freebsd.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1759743975; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=2g7TMZcWGo+pRE+kn+jVhM7FPFesZssEcAZ4UZEknng=; b=jCYQSzLccGo7hSGN7+P49jUR15+Ke1H5Vh8j9r2WP3VIVFRhzFT0xM5/H9Qijm8/p9iTJJ DGSebSARv+GfZPS/3EDrZQKpXA6IS+MFpm08GkTAvF+pr9jWRcTD94cUjJJ3qY4esXFeNd 86bnUSD3pBb2DBVSiKFrOYiHCj7PMvre6Gj7MJfXW9311JUqNK3y5uB9m4Jcc2NGV77MZE tsNIv7sTouAT07fSL5H1NHKNZhC8jxJm48RlUnRLTViJsHgR3dmKxUHi2E6wdl5ZEP8tgW FEFx/qq7+qB4tITfVmdadxYjrh8e3LTBEKDg5t29JYKVpyyFtWfZeZ/h8RRX7g== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1759743975; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=2g7TMZcWGo+pRE+kn+jVhM7FPFesZssEcAZ4UZEknng=; b=jIyahGKQm4Ors+kol2s56T6bKP1P/WEhQPYqIo10jU4KcicEhEtM4PX3Cd1lsZ52F5fWpX HhnmdkBf8qETLGs+liMBAvepJfz878DbnfxNo32ZWp0hO1snTKxZx8UyAeaaN1Ql4gd4pV opxggEpVoFKqPL6d64VURrs9xGVeKBcZScGctWrxoeif7tbREJ69ulIcDg2uiixCLcUvk/ Q7+rFNutNDkUg7NeiCP2ywqF69eJqyBq3IG34/c1oKxoePnwUuEM+mOV/KurkAeQKtWg73 a4enojGNecEUFgGnMwN+iFBr2e0/tyCUUOgkuDSMUf1feN2VuXTJ+DR26dgGjw== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1759743975; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=EC9ldvMde2hrLIUR5gol/5jaYPZ/2kHdSkYXi7CIpeYjpg9bSnmBv61TUHPJgjhzI6kn5D 57Q6OCWN6foQpOAgN8YMKh+ldVxdxjIeU1Ko78GfuGoJL4T5mtOAFS5cvt11uQh02n/kkI wnn7I/vdV7BxnKjO8sh5UDcLdLcI7KkhQT9rG9Atr6UK6tLBRWse08sNs8Q9RF7rR+xnev OTxzkUpKcbAjJCHD9Mvdq3MU9cCIo8aKPX7qVH7ugh6bOOxCedmdcZ3M9kEqyBq/U/Noei PMVbji8gAEVhItEHR9dGWQ3EOhfQKAwuUw1u/GZPTkSDG25S+ZbilJeJrvS6hA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from ltc.des.dev (88-177-82-251.subs.proxad.net [88.177.82.251]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: des) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4cgDtH0k0NzmR9; Mon, 06 Oct 2025 09:46:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@freebsd.org) Received: by ltc.des.dev (Postfix, from userid 1001) id DD3AE885C8; Mon, 06 Oct 2025 11:46:12 +0200 (CEST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= To: Chris Ross Cc: freebsd-net@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Network interface renaming In-Reply-To: <1CB5332A-5E7E-420A-A6AC-3F2D70A0B6C3@distal.com> (Chris Ross's message of "Sun, 5 Oct 2025 23:11:43 -0400") References: <1CB5332A-5E7E-420A-A6AC-3F2D70A0B6C3@distal.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2025 11:46:12 +0200 Message-ID: <865xcs8isb.fsf@ltc.des.dev> List-Id: Networking and TCP/IP with FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Chris Ross writes: > 1. Is interface renaming just too dangerous to use? Yes. For instance, `service netif stop` and `service netif restart` may not work properly, packet filter rulesets may fail to load, etc. > 2. Is there any way I can make the interfaces take > their names earlier? > 3. Can I verify when local-onbound, or other, daemons are starting > up and if they=E2=80=99re failing get that reported somewhere I can see > After the system is multi-user? To see the order they start in: rcorder /etc/rc.d/* /usr/local/etc/rc.d/* Anything that failed to start will presumably have left error messages in /var/log/messages. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@FreeBSD.org