From owner-freebsd-toolchain@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 1 17:15:35 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-toolchain@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 240752D1 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 2015 17:15:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-lb0-x22e.google.com (mail-lb0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c04::22e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 95F0FC39 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 2015 17:15:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by lbdc10 with SMTP id c10so41217856lbd.2 for ; Wed, 01 Apr 2015 10:15:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=HoeOLCO2l3cJSnusy//HjkIc+iRoVhVT59CrNX0530k=; b=cRkdZAjBAVFskj8LhgDTGFvX+JgaZFKDeKvFig+0xMRjZUsTI58QSShvvp9LcuSvIB Fj0708/ZR5zd2FRYRd0DWZdZoT+YO7K05eTg/fl+W8cW0O8dpVUKiNa1bZ7Nm8HXrLVt D4I4yRusG2iDrmcziIKi5k/ZvfBs9tooKXW+AXuB1NvSRCUS5sMZd6aUXTkVGDoFYZ8s n9iBkof+UgWgnbS8ZqyQNcb5MpnbGpMfHV1sqQL4rq5zWm4OrA44WGEWg8TSlMewq0Ze /SRkek4AdN5p1qtDZ80XylPn0WnMFNnFFGoIryFLyuYtgR+Ccoqh0jK05wzPGqz9MgA8 L0uQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.170.132 with SMTP id am4mr36505045lbc.89.1427908531487; Wed, 01 Apr 2015 10:15:31 -0700 (PDT) Sender: crodr001@gmail.com Received: by 10.112.108.168 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Apr 2015 10:15:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <056FF51B-CB8A-42E9-A7BA-B0A022F2640C@dsl-only.net> References: <056FF51B-CB8A-42E9-A7BA-B0A022F2640C@dsl-only.net> Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2015 10:15:31 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: uIKpKoQc_8KHAHecaBZZKfzdShA Message-ID: Subject: Re: FYI: Things that I've noticed for powerpc64-xtoolchain-gcc... From: Craig Rodrigues To: Mark Millard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: FreeBSD Toolchain X-BeenThere: freebsd-toolchain@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Maintenance of FreeBSD's integrated toolchain List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2015 17:15:35 -0000 On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 1:13 AM, Mark Millard wrote: > You [Craig Rodrigues] seem to be checking some ??-xtoolchain-gcc things > officially. I've some user-experience notes from happening to use > powerpc64-xtoolchain-gcc in my exploration of FreeBSD. Hopefully some of it > might be of interest. It groups together information from various notices > as I was doing the explorations. > Thanks for doing these investigations. However, I have to say that your e-mails contain too much detail, and seem almost like rambling brain dumps. They are hard to follow, and I usually stop reading them about one quarter of the way through the e-mail. My mind can't absorb all the detail you are providing. I cannot speak for other people on the toolchain@ team, but I wouldn't be surprised if there are other people who feel the same as I do. In future, I suggest that you cut down your e-mails to be very concise. If you can extract the bare minimum of error message, and put that in the e-mail, with minimal discussion, that would be the best way to start. For your further analysis and full logs, put those on a web site. In your e-mail, you can put a URL pointer and tell people if they are still interested in looking at the problem, they can get the full logs and further analysis from your web site. It is even better if you can supply patches which you think fix the problem. That's the strategy that I have used, and I have found that it has worked very well, and the toolchain@ team has been super responsive. toolchain@ folks are very busy, so if you send e-mails which are more work to digest than the bugs they are trying to fix, they will tend to ignore your e-mails. -- Craig