From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed May 3 9:41:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in (theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in [144.16.71.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BFB3037B7C2 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 09:41:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rsidd@physics.iisc.ernet.in) Received: (qmail 889 invoked from network); 3 May 2000 16:40:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO theory8.physics.iisc.ernet.in) (144.16.71.128) by theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in with SMTP; 3 May 2000 16:40:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 555 invoked by uid 211); 3 May 2000 16:40:43 -0000 Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 22:10:43 +0530 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: "Daniel J. Zaccariello" Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , John Papalia , Jeremiah Gowdy , smkelly@slashnet.org, insane@lunatic.oneinsane.net, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD and IRC Message-ID: <20000503221042.A550@physics.iisc.ernet.in> References: <20554.957345701@localhost> <4.3.2.20000503114015.00c0abd0@pop.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.20000503114015.00c0abd0@pop.mindspring.com>; from marisombra@mindspring.com on Wed, May 03, 2000 at 11:52:17AM -0400 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.0.32 i486 X-Question: Do you enjoy reading pointless headers? Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I have two religions, FreeBSD, and my work. I must say my faith is being > tested by all of this. What is causing your myopia? What is so difficult > to understand that a channel bearing the project's name has an impact on > public perception of the project? That is, after all, part of advocacy, is > it not? The type of behavior you're condoning is one of the most > compelling reasons I will not use Linux or recommend Linux to new users I > meet (save for Debian, I've found the people on #debian on irc.debian.org > to be very friendly). FWIW: I've never seen this sort of attitude in the linux world. Sure, there are the flamers on Slashdot and so on, but they are mostly kids who have no clue and have never actually contributed to linux in the first place. And even they don't often flame "clueless newbies", only windows lovers and people like that. The big difference here is that some of the most obnoxious-sounding people on this thread are listed as core members, developers and so on. Hearing such opinions from JKH is like hearing them from Linus Torvalds or Alan Cox, not from some anonymous troller. The knowledgeable Linux people never try to alienate the user community in this way. Which is exactly why the whole topic *does* belong on advocacy. Much of the linux users' loyalty to their system is because of the pleasant experience they get from the "community". Whereas a lurker on this list reading this thread would come away with a very bad impression. R. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message