From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 19 15:05:41 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EF8716A4CF for ; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 15:05:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from ozlabs.org (ozlabs.org [203.10.76.45]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D205443D2D for ; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 15:05:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from blackwater.lemis.com (blackwater.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by ozlabs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D22DB2BD53 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 10:05:37 +1100 (EST) Received: by blackwater.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E83C051312; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 09:35:35 +1030 (CST) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 09:35:35 +1030 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Jerry McAllister Message-ID: <20040319230535.GU21807@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <20040319223154.GA31596@yoda.anything-inc.com> <200403192253.i2JMrAA26441@clunix.cl.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="xi8lRpXYeGgNnUjs" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200403192253.i2JMrAA26441@clunix.cl.msu.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 cc: Charles McManis cc: Bob Collins cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Top posting X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 23:05:41 -0000 --xi8lRpXYeGgNnUjs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Friday, 19 March 2004 at 17:53:09 -0500, Jerry McAllister wrote: >> >> On Fri, Mar 19, 2004, Charles McManis clacked the keyboard to produce: >>> Perhaps it isn't "logical", if you've read all the email then the quoted >>> thread is just reference anyway. This is the "new stuff". I love being able >>> to read mail in the preview-pane vs "next message" , jump to the bottom, >>> "next message" jump to the bottom. > > Maybe, if you only have one thread to deal with. But in any given > day I am seeing hundreds of messages from scores of threads. Some > precious but out of context tidbit is easily orphaned and becomes > meaningless. Of course, leaving extraneous text behind doesn't help either. This message had 12 lines of relevant text and 70 of irrelevant text (exceptionally, left behind as evidence; there's nothing below of any further interest). This makes people scroll all the way down just to discover there's nothing there. Greg > > ////jerry > >>> >>> It comes down to opinion I think >>> --Chuck >>> >>> >>> On Friday 19 March 2004 09:46, Louis LeBlanc wrote: >>>> On 03/19/04 09:21 AM, Joshua Lokken sat at the `puter and typed: >>>>> http://www.google.com/search?q=rfc+top+posting&sourceid=mozilla-search&st >>>>> art=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Wow, almost every single reply to the list today was top posted. >>>>> People, please know (and you must, you have to read them, too) >>>>> that posting replies to the top of an email is, well, counter- >>>>> intuitive, hard to follow, and goes against the general grain of >>>>> RFC 1855. Please, it has been requested from many users of this >>>>> list, do not top post replies, but don't stop sending them ;) >>>> >>>> Yes, it has been requested from many users, and quite a few have flat >>>> out refused to follow this logical norm. Others simply follow the >>>> precedent set in any given thread, and some few will go so far as to >>>> delete the trailing messages and try to herd an already errant thread >>>> in the right direction. For my part, my reply behavior depends on the >>>> audience. One would think that a company with so many geeks (from >>>> developers to SW architects) would tend to do this right, but not so. >>>> >>>> Bottom line, don't hold your breath. Unfortunately, many mail clients >>>> don't show the replied email during reply composition but place it >>>> below the response, and most default to replying at the top anyway. >>>> Most users just don't bother to correct it when the option is there. >>>> >>>> I feel your pain dude. >>>> >>>> Lou >>> >> >> [format broken, see above and then back down to here] >> >> No, it is not logical. If everyone top-posts, the email must be read in >> reverse to recapture thoughts of others or points made. If twleve people >> reply properly and you reply the way your `opinion' tells you too, you >> have broken the path or reading, by forcing people to jump to the bottom >> to refresh the last message and then back to the top to get the latest >> thoughts or info. It is also quite obnoxious to review such top-posters >> threads that are intermixed when looking through the archives. >> >> Finally, as pointed out previously, it does not follow convention. It is >> much like Microsft `enhancing' an industry standard, which actually >> breaks the standard. >> >> -- >> Bob >> >> "Play is the work of children. It's very serious stuff. And if it's >> properly structured in a developmental program, children can blossom." >> -Bob Keeshan aka `Captain Kangaroo' >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Note: I discard all HTML mail unseen. Finger grog@FreeBSD.org for PGP public key. 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