From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 23 22:04:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0670106564A; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 22:04:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@rulingia.com) Received: from vps.rulingia.com (host-122-100-2-194.octopus.com.au [122.100.2.194]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 154EC8FC16; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 22:04:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from server.rulingia.com (c220-239-249-137.belrs5.nsw.optusnet.com.au [220.239.249.137]) by vps.rulingia.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q7NM4Pm0099188 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 24 Aug 2012 08:04:25 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from peter@rulingia.com) X-Bogosity: Ham, spamicity=0.000000 Received: from server.rulingia.com (localhost.rulingia.com [127.0.0.1]) by server.rulingia.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q7NM4KQj086106 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 24 Aug 2012 08:04:20 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from peter@server.rulingia.com) Received: (from peter@localhost) by server.rulingia.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q7NM4KwA086105; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 08:04:20 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from peter) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 08:04:20 +1000 From: Peter Jeremy To: John Baldwin Message-ID: <20120823220420.GA85883@server.rulingia.com> References: <1345697446.84337.11.camel@neo.cse.buffalo.edu> <1345729674.52121.4.camel@bauer.cse.buffalo.edu> <201208231606.18346.jhb@freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="0OAP2g/MAC+5xKAE" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <201208231606.18346.jhb@freebsd.org> X-PGP-Key: http://www.rulingia.com/keys/peter.pgp User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Removing CVS from base X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 22:04:28 -0000 --0OAP2g/MAC+5xKAE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2012-Aug-23 16:06:18 -0400, John Baldwin wrote: >On Thursday, August 23, 2012 3:41:03 pm Peter Wemm wrote: >> * Don't expect to see any 10.0-alpha/beta/rc/release/stable to *ever* >> make it to an official cvs tree. It's probably time to move a >> freebsd-ified cvs from head to ports. > >I think this is a bit premature. Just because we are moving away from >using CVS as FreeBSD's scm doesn't mean CVS isn't a useful >general-purpose tool still. For smaller repositories that don't need >fancier things like branches, CVS is quite useful and far lighter weight. To me, this reads like the exact definition of a "ports, not base" use case. CVS (and RCS) are both GPL-licensed tools that (as of 10.x) no longer serve any purpose in the base system. I agree that they still serve a purpose (I use CVS as a SCM both at home and $work) but (IMHO) if they are not needed to support FreeBSD, they are not needed in the FreeBSD base. >I could see moving csup out to ports, but not necessarily CVS. Ideally, csup would learn how to talk to a SVN repository so it can continue to be used to update a local src tree (without needing to install subversion). Failing that, csup should probably also go. --=20 Peter Jeremy --0OAP2g/MAC+5xKAE Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAlA2qOQACgkQ/opHv/APuIf5wwCfdQgvQDbMft7kFOW149v02N08 i2YAnjgHjh3NqISE/Jyu3dxv0SrRbCzl =6VX3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --0OAP2g/MAC+5xKAE--