From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 3 18:23:57 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2849C16A41B for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 18:23:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.179]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99A7B13C4DD for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 18:23:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so7328649pyb for ; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 10:23:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=WA2OU/3lo3+TvbQtPvcOQbbKr54u7hg7y5h38u+4sKA=; b=Yyk2ucV79TK/egQ8JaXSzs+gthkd0x9JSPgsrrim2cj9X9+wFXZIiM/YOd7RrQO3uiCcyGnfHvyIyYrMQHBMOs+E9CsbSfgh1H0cmtRXdjXKHZgHn0K3DdmNAE5YUGvoPq+HB28nVQyGWwIivDETPNfPgTj6NhfCTsN5xHcW3Ec= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=roFD3zCjZO26iQTzmlM+euYIP0SMaXHrWfz0Ox3M0nReE+Vqyd8hg0Ryz8OMB6uefL3G3auBl+r7WAdgCCWfcdf3E7YkeXLJfvnpzadtltKGM4rEmYEhT1tcxTu8Bv0sSpXuN7l5AVCNxuKH5beUr11MpO//8OHXvlxnM3GoAYw= Received: by 10.65.180.9 with SMTP id h9mr1095296qbp.1196706235336; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 10:23:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [67.85.89.184]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e16sm7204944qba.2007.12.03.10.23.54 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 03 Dec 2007 10:23:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <475449B9.1010002@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 13:23:53 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071129) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ade Lovett References: <200712030308.32301.david@vizion2000.net> <3BC04A18-86CD-4A93-831A-691EBD8D4A43@FreeBSD.org> <47543109.3050303@gmail.com> <7957A7E2-3ADA-4BD5-934C-F10A1F08F72F@FreeBSD.org> <47544020.5090605@gmail.com> <47544727.9030209@gmail.com> <34531C67-A2F9-48DB-8161-34593AC0C481@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <34531C67-A2F9-48DB-8161-34593AC0C481@FreeBSD.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 OpenPGP: url= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: David Southwell , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [RFC/P] Port System Re-Engineering X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 18:23:57 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Ade Lovett wrote: > > On Dec 03, 2007, at 10:12 , Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: >> I have about 20 responses in private email and only the ones you >> have seen in public are in this category > > Enough said. There are currently ~180 people with direct access to > the ports/ tree (ie: ports committers). Only 2 are self-reported maintainers and at least 5 admit to not being maintainers... I think your main issue is you are 100% in "there is nothing wrong" camp and for what ever reason want to convience everyone else any effort to say/do differently is misguided. > > Even assuming all private email responses came from committers, > that's an 11% hit rate. That is why I am planning to wait to the end of Dec. or so to report the results in detail (and widen the audiences/forums) > > Which part of "statistically invalid" is not getting through here? A self-selected sample will never be "statically" valid *BUT* it can be informative about what people are thinking. - -- Aryeh M. Friedman FloSoft Systems Developer, not business, friendly http://www.flosoft-systems.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHVEm5358R5LPuPvsRAk4zAJ90UYdW0jfTCyxwlAXDRd2Uf58uPACfbmpS 1NG3/ziaCXuf/4GFBxKRIQ8= =KUFV -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----