Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:47:36 +0200 From: Alexandr Kovalenko <never@nevermind.kiev.ua> To: "Andrew L. Gould" <algould@datawok.com> Cc: Robert Watson <rwatson@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Logo Contest Message-ID: <20050210074736.GA34499@nevermind.kiev.ua> In-Reply-To: <200502091631.08593.algould@datawok.com> References: <200502091349.00708.algould@datawok.com> <20050209214206.GA21616@nevermind.kiev.ua> <420A8581.3040605@telus.net> <200502091631.08593.algould@datawok.com>
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Hello, Andrew L. Gould! On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 04:31:08PM -0600, you wrote: > On Wednesday 09 February 2005 03:49 pm, Peter Kieser wrote: > > When the Project decides that political correctness is more important > > than a tradition dating back over 20 years, something is wrong. > > > > Personally I really don't care if a user selects another OS based on > > the fact that we have a devil as our mascot. They are better off on > > another OS anyways, because they're likely to cause problems -- > > because people with that kind of attitude are likely to bring up > > other "issues" with our "product". I agree with this statement. If people see only mascot and only in way they want to see it - as something evil (assuming they are cristians), I'd assume that those people are not self-motivated to find out what does mascot mean in reality, so they won't try to solve their problems by themselves, so we will have more and more lame users like in Linux, who can only point'n'click, such users in some time probably will become developers, but do we really want them to be allowed to make Linux out of FreeBSD?.. About your question: ask yourself "Are we going to be professionals?" > > > > --Peter > > Do you object to FreeBSD having a logo that portrays the fact that it's > a professional grade operating system? Beastie is staying; but Beastie > only portrays one side of FreeBSD. The professional side of FreeBSD > deserves attention and expression. > > I don't see a new logo as bowing to Political Correctness as much as > improving communication. Images project messages; and frequently > Beastie (inadvertently) sends the wrong message. Once I explain the > history behind Beastie, everyone whom I've talked to has been okay with > it. The problem is that I often have to resolve the Beastie issue > before the listener is ready to hear about computer security, > reliability, etc. Fork is for security :) > Also, please keep in mind, it's not always about whether we get new > users. FreeBSD's image may affect whether a business chooses to > associate itself with FreeBSD by creating FreeBSD drivers for its > products or supporting FreeBSD development. Business is people; and > people are not perfectly rational. PR issues influence business > decisions now more than ever. Anyway, as far as I can see, regular users and small contributors like me (full FreeBSD mirror, Ukrainian FreeBSD User Group, some ports), won't be taken in account what making final decisions. And most of much more senior developers/users also. Looks like "TheoDeraadt"craty. Thanks. -- NEVE-RIPE, will build world for food Ukrainian FreeBSD User Group http://uafug.org.ua/
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