From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Sun Sep 11 16:17:28 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82CC5BD6A32 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 16:17:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (unknown [127.0.1.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62774F37 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 16:17:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 61E40BD6A31; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 16:17:28 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 618F8BD6A30 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 16:17:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-oi0-x242.google.com (mail-oi0-x242.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c06::242]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 313E1F35 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 16:17:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: by mail-oi0-x242.google.com with SMTP id y2so14260121oie.0 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 09:17:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=sMaJfQKzkncqwB2opcgnDC2eCel3UoVmJCQuhAQIYH8=; b=yRF3EjRruiQKAVqks+FFEoPpcL2TbLun/vPTGa3f2kvLAd4AvURz8xbLBq0cjqDIbR itX8ok8UileWocUqBnhb06ZcA6SYLyedOQSUsjCr/wVJzZ6eVkJbqFKQsaYsbmkxJqPU JIp7pgXToa8x41Dh1Fp4CSTQEwFel+sF3Dbzl7w+9VSaxDS6fQMtr0ZT42CJ1rcnByhj NVdM5UpMblA/nWO34jxYn49u+n9mMuFPSiPzUuHwkVDhQ0h5DZBPjrK+86daigZvhObX OyzlN+2josao15UNmfNFF2w6iG0F7CadrCX4oeFXhOwgUFrG1CkYHBbzxO/HjnhSqicf 0rKw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=sMaJfQKzkncqwB2opcgnDC2eCel3UoVmJCQuhAQIYH8=; b=GmDZrJSumcNpkoLRxQJeMbUzkUNdNVZYl4Kcmhvy/ItSSTrGR/eemzarJNLXcXBvPm PKiqeHTvQfZfEz9bU8LjwDHKjvApPF6p8ItqPqU7cDIDEHW/jKi/UoJ5gVGqqhIaKOTA Ci/R7ZcU2tAxO66RBi9wmT8RoAgXxYJcNLpkBFXT6xkiWPX6VM+ZH14CI8g9gxvTXCFb vbGhCRsujji/qm5CyVzTuAs3QK1JNLwursYboVyAItZ6M6o4wjCUBccKT/s33F70DuiL Q4ZvSRKx92/98yqinHim2bKGW8tPz4WU/L7TF0VDq60msRFnYMDsnZXQ8Z+A0T8lTJVB SfEQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AE9vXwPn+BT1PCdGziI4a9AuP3uSk04B04AH0lxvBHDNRC4aiezQgm7E6qSEjmROfOAt08lWgRJKJRk3Q3VBXw== X-Received: by 10.202.4.205 with SMTP id 196mr17699657oie.91.1473610647267; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 09:17:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: wlosh@bsdimp.com Received: by 10.36.65.7 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 09:17:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [50.253.99.174] In-Reply-To: <20160911133804.a7j7p3x2viqzcpec@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net> References: <20160911133804.a7j7p3x2viqzcpec@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net> From: Warner Losh Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 10:17:26 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 5183nR65uLv8wvmbSG07BiGJ9WI Message-ID: Subject: Re: [RFC] remove GNU rcs from FreeBSD 12 To: Baptiste Daroussin Cc: FreeBSD Current Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 16:17:28 -0000 On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 7:38 AM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > hi, > > For long we are planning to remove GNU rcs from base, after a failed attempt > before FreeBSD 10.0. Let see where we are to be able to remove it from FreeBSD > 12. > > GNU rcs is a GPLv2 software with newer version being GPLv3 preventing any > updates/fixes. > > From previous discussions there were issues that has been raised in previous > attempts: > - ident(1) is still useful given we still have Keywords in our sources. It has > been replaced by a BSD Licensed version (enhanced to improve compatibility > with Subversion Keyword) for FreeBSD 11. So that tool will remain in base > after removal of GNU rcs. So no affect. > - etc-update uses merge(1) from GNU rcs, this has been changed in head to use > diff3 instead. Also no effect. Is our diff3 still the gpl'd one, or has bsd-diff finally grown that functionality? > - rc.subr allows to use rcs for the backup file functionality. This > functionality is off by default as such I plan to make a warning if rcs is not > installed and recommand to install rcs from base (or if noone claim using the > feature I will just remove the functionality and only keep the default > behaviour aka keep one backup copy). Works for me. I didn't even know this existed. From mall evidence I can find, it looks like I stopped using RCS entirely in about 1999, and that's 5 years after I moved to CVS for most things. > - people uses rcs to handle configuration files in /etc for example. for those > multiple compatible alternatives are available in ports: > * rcs57: a copy of the latest version of GNU rcs in base before removal > (GPLv2) > * rcs: latest GNU rcs version (GPLv3) This is in line with what we've told people in the past. If I want to play rogue, I have to install a port... > I haven't gone the direction of importing OpenRCS (BSD licensed version from > OpenBSD) as it needs way more work to be 100% compatible with latest version of > GNU rcs. If people want it, they can make it a port... > How to proceed: > - First turn off GNU rcs by default for a couple of month. > - Totally remove GNU rcs if no blockers has been raised. Works for me. Warner