Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 12:43:46 +0100 From: Anton Shterenlikht <mexas@bristol.ac.uk> To: Michel Talon <talon@lpthe.jussieu.fr> Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org, Michal Varga <varga.michal@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Time to mark portupgrade deprecated? Message-ID: <20110726114346.GA45750@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <201107261324.35657.talon@lpthe.jussieu.fr> References: <20110726092756.GA90978@lpthe.jussieu.fr> <1311676715.1799.27.camel@xenon> <201107261324.35657.talon@lpthe.jussieu.fr>
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On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 01:24:35PM +0200, Michel Talon wrote: > Le mardi 26 juillet 2011 12:38:35, vous avez ??crit : > > > > Sure, why not kill one of the biggest strengths FreeBSD is known for > > while we're at it... > > Or most obvious weakness ... The biggest strength was a good kernel, better > than Linux, but this was years ago. > > > > > Two questions: > > > > Who will provide the infrastructure to build me all of my packages the > > day/hour/moment moment I need them and constantly build me the i386, > > amd64, athlon-tbird optimized, k8-sse3 optimized, -O2 and -O3 optimized, > > intel-core optimized, and intel-p3 optimized batches for all of my > > machines? > > > > Who will constantly build and maintain my custom set of binary packages > > and all their dependencies built with the exact specific OPTIONS that I > > need and without the components that I don't want? > > This stuff you are mentioning is the precise reason why people have problems > with the ports system. By the way, all your optimisations have next to zero > impact on performance, and introduce a sizable probability of bugs. And > the components you don't want use an infinitesimal part of your hard disk and > nothing in your memory. At the end of the day this sort of feature buys no > benefit at all and introduces an infinite combinatoric complexity for people > wanting to test the ports system. Ports, manuals and the people. This is why I use FreeBSD. Don't mess with ports. Have no opinion on portupgrade, never used it, portmaster does most of what I need, except for massive updates, e.g. recent icu update. portmaster -r fails for me most of the time (sometimes this is nothing to do with the update tool, but simply because I'm on ia64 and sparc64). I guess one has to accept that manual intervention is required for complex updates. -- Anton Shterenlikht Room 2.6, Queen's Building Mech Eng Dept Bristol University University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK Tel: +44 (0)117 331 5944 Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423
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