From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 22 17:08:18 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7D011277 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2014 17:08:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from emailserver2.asdf456.com (emailserver2.asdf456.com [72.18.207.139]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5926C695 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2014 17:08:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 14020 invoked by uid 0); 22 Oct 2014 17:08:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO noos.larseighner.com) (71.20.75.102) by emailserver2.asdf456.com with SMTP; Wed, 22 Oct 2014 10:08:43 -0700 Received: by noos.larseighner.com (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1001 lars@noos.larseighner.com; Wed, 22 Oct 2014 18:12:52 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 18:12:50 -0500 (CDT) From: Lars Eighner X-X-Sender: lars@noos.larseighnerhome.com To: Warren Block Subject: Re: Keep using syscons -- how? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20141022072744.9a7574eb.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (BSF 23 2013-08-11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Polytropon , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 17:08:18 -0000 On Wed, 22 Oct 2014, Warren Block wrote: > On Wed, 22 Oct 2014, Lars Eighner wrote: > >> On Wed, 22 Oct 2014, Polytropon wrote: >> >>> On Wed, 22 Oct 2014 04:25:12 -0500 (CDT), Lars Eighner wrote: >>>> What do I have to do or not do to keep being able to use syscons in VGA >>>> mode? Is there any way to keep the ability to switch between xwindows and >>>> syscons (in VGA i.e. text mode)? >>> >>> Allow me a more general question. I'm not asking as >>> a "means of insult", but because I'm really interested >>> in the answer: >>> >>> Why not use terminal emulators (xterm, rxvt, konsole, >>> gnome-terminal etc.) inside an X session? >> >> Because raster fonts are illegible compared to vga fonts, > > The text-mode fonts are raster fonts, too. I don't understand this. There are raster text modes, but 80x24 VGA has never been called "raster" that I know of. > >> Text mode is robust. That is really the bottom line. > > Use vt(4) in text mode: Yes, just like Linux. What I am asking is where do I have to freeze to avoid this? At what point is cons25l1 and xwindows to vtty switching still available? > > kern.vty=vt > hw.vga.textmode=1 > > The console will switch to graphics mode only if X is started. At present, > there is no way to switch back to text mode, nor a way to control which fonts > are used or the resolution selected. Some functionality of sc(4) is not yet > present in text mode vt(4), like mouse cut and paste. As far as I know, > there are no technical problems that prevent these features. > > And of course sc(4) is still present if the system does not use X at all. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > -- Lars Eighner http://www.larseighner.com/index.html 8800 N IH35 APT 1191 AUSTIN TX 78753-5266