From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 21 12:15:42 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF32337B401 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2003 12:15:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.speakeasy.net (mail10.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.210]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2ACF43FA3 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2003 12:15:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 25231 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2003 19:15:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO server.baldwin.cx) ([216.27.160.63]) (envelope-sender )encrypted SMTP for ; 21 Jul 2003 19:15:41 -0000 Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (gw1.twc.weather.com [216.133.140.1]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h6LJFcGI039876; Mon, 21 Jul 2003 15:15:38 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.5.4 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20030719171138.GA86442@dragon.nuxi.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 15:15:53 -0400 (EDT) From: John Baldwin To: "David O'Brien" cc: freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Things to remove from /rescue X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 19:15:43 -0000 On 19-Jul-2003 David O'Brien wrote: > On Thu, Jul 17, 2003 at 02:51:47PM -0400, John Baldwin wrote: >> >> On 17-Jul-2003 David O'Brien wrote: >> > On Thu, Jul 17, 2003 at 09:17:00AM -0700, Luigi Rizzo wrote: >> >> whatever it is, certainly the purpose is not to show how good >> >> a sysadmin is in using a knife's blade as a screwdriver and a fork >> >> and a spoon. Heck, even swiss army knives have these extra >> >> tools. >> >> >> >> I think that if something in /rescue can make the task faster >> >> and less error prone, removing it to save 10-50k of disk space >> >> would be a big mistake. >> > >> > You must not have seen my other email that listed other things than just >> > disk space. If I did need to get to the Internet to get bits, what does >> > ipfw do for me that "sysctl net.inet.ip.fw.enable=0" doesn't? >> >> This doesn't handle ipfilter. You've conveniently ignored that point it >> seems. > > No, I have little ipfilter experience so I didn't speak to it. My > language explicitly mentioned ipfw so I assumed readers would understand > I was only addressing ipfw in that email. You've listed ipfilter tools such as ipnat, etc. on your list, so you have "spoken to it". Perhaps you shouldn't blindly remove tools if you don't know how they work? -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/