From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 9 13:33:12 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A7341065675 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 13:33:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from j.mckeown@ru.ac.za) Received: from mail.ru.ac.za (mail.ru.ac.za [IPv6:2001:4200:1010:0:250:56ff:fe8d:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B88508FC0C for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 13:33:11 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ru.ac.za; s=ru-msa; h=X-Authenticated-User:Message-Id:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Date:Subject:To:From; bh=DWVXqyflHIF4fhBLSAe14kTcNaTAlLQciadgVNd1IC0=; b=La0BCU4+eciKUrpxfSgC0TYm4ZhM8gqswK40nSCLjYHHO4DgL7dlM4G4yaw71NpD5bj0oKy90EBlyKxb5Oca96q7Ar97mMlaNm8fYIih9vHuHV+nzI5pZSYQIXdsedEE; Received: from vorkosigan.ru.ac.za ([2001:4200:1010:1058:219:d1ff:fe9f:a932]:51278) by mail.ru.ac.za with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1SoE5N-000AH4-9F for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 15:33:09 +0200 From: Jonathan McKeown Organization: Rhodes University To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 15:33:08 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <4FFA7980.4000707@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: X-Face: $@VrUx^RHy/}yu]jKf/<4T%/d|F+$j-Ol2"2J$q+%OK1]&/G_S9(=?utf-8?q?HkaQ*=60!=3FYOK=3FY!=27M=60C=0A=09aP=5C9nVPF8Q=7DCilHH8l=3B=7E!4?= =?utf-8?q?2HK6=273lg4J=7Daz?=@1Dqqh:J]M^"YPn*2IWrZON$1+G?oX3@ =?utf-8?q?k=230=0A=0954XDRg=3DYn=5FF-etwot4U=24b?=dTS{i X-Virus-Scanned: mail.ru.ac.za (2001:4200:1010:0:250:56ff:fe8d:5) X-Authenticated-User: s0900137 from vorkosigan.ru.ac.za (2001:4200:1010:1058:219:d1ff:fe9f:a932) using auth_plaintext Subject: Re: Replacing BIND with unbound (Was: Re: Pull in upstream before 9.1 code freeze?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 13:33:12 -0000 On Monday 09 July 2012 09:34:34 Avleen Vig wrote: > The issue is also one of barrier-to-entry. By removing `dig` and > `host`, I think we're making things unnecessarily more difficult for > people who don't *know* FreeBSD. `dig` and `host` a universally > standard tools for doing DNS lookups. Taking them away in base to > replace them with something else just seems like something that won't > really *help* users. Yes. So we should change the base system so that by default it does a database lookup whenever you type an unrecognised command - to lower the barrier to entry. We should also change the base system to remove the most commonly used tools for doing DNS lookups, to.... what was the reason again? I suppose at least those arguing for both these changes can argue that one mitigates the non-POLA effect of the other.... Jonathan