From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 2 16:20:39 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36B7C106566C; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 16:20:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Received: from pooker.samsco.org (pooker.samsco.org [168.103.85.57]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C39BD8FC0A; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 16:20:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (pooker.samsco.org [168.103.85.57]) (authenticated bits=0) by pooker.samsco.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q72GKYsL097114; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 10:20:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.0 \(1485\)) From: Scott Long In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 10:20:33 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <45815622-3CE2-42E3-B118-702AA70C7E4C@samsco.org> References: <612DA8A3-121E-4E72-9E5B-F3CBA9DEB7F7@bsdimp.com> <501A0258.4010101@FreeBSD.org> To: Kevin Oberman X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1485) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-50.0 required=3.8 tests=ALL_TRUSTED, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.0 (2010-01-18) on pooker.samsco.org X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 16:39:26 +0000 Cc: FreeBSD Hackers , Doug Barton , Arnaud Lacombe , freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..] X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 16:20:39 -0000 On Aug 2, 2012, at 12:23 AM, Kevin Oberman wrote: > Doug makes some good points. No, he doesn't. He and Arnould being argumentative and accusatory where = none of that is warranted. I used to run the devsummits, and we did tele-conference lines for = remote people to participate. After I stepped down, others took it up = and did the same thing. Usually, the lines were unused. I suspect that = organizers simply stopped thinking about them after a while because of = poor interest. There is no conspiracy of exclusion here, just simple = human apathy. The invite system for the devsummit was, and still is, purely about = providing some order to the process. It ensures that people attending = are willing to demonstrate a minimum amount of interest, more than just = wondering by a room one day and dropping in for free food and wifi. If = anyone feels that they are being excluded, it's because they are too = lazy to go beyond being argumentative on a mailing list. Scott