Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 17:32:30 +0100 From: Martin Karlsson <martin.karlsson@visit.se> To: FreeBSD Questions <freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Subject: Re: Lockdown of FreeBSD machine directly on Net Message-ID: <20011108173230.B1542@foo31-249.visit.se> In-Reply-To: <20011108172755.A1542@foo31-249.visit.se>; from martin.karlsson@visit.se on Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 05:27:55PM %2B0100 References: <000201c166a2$d2ed80c0$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> <001401c166a9$9b976120$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <20011106180650.A72863@student.uu.se> <00ca01c16794$12a7eba0$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <20011107154930.A7915@student.uu.se> <20011108172755.A1542@foo31-249.visit.se>
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But I suppose that is one of the mayor factors when implementing security: Some procedures will be very uncomfortable to follow, but following these procedures will make you happier in the long run. /Martin * Martin Karlsson (martin.karlsson@visit.se) wrote: > Or even watching the sysadmin write in the root password through > binoculars from across the street. That's bad; I for one hate working in > a room without windows (glass ones that is ;)). > > /Martin > * Erik Trulsson (ertr1013@student.uu.se) wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 02:56:58PM +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > > > Erik writes: > > > > > > > There is no such thing as 100% security. > > > > > > Sure there is. Shannon proved it. Some spies and spooks implement it. > > > > No, there is no such thing as 100% security. > > I assume your comment about Shannon refers to such things as > > unbreakable cryptos of which the One-Time-Pad is the best known. > > This is not the same thing as 100% security though. > > To get 100% security you also need to protect yourself against attacks > > such as: > > > > a) Somebody breaking into the office and stealing the computers. > > b) Calling the sysadmin and pretending to be his boss and convince him > > to open a hole. > > c) Reading the password from a Post-It note which some careless > > legitimate user left around. > > d) Sweettalking the secretary into letting them in. > > e) Bribing the sysadmin. > > f) Kidnapping the person who knows the password and torturing him/her > > until he/she reveals it. > > g) Blackmail. > > > > > > Unless you are fully protected against all these (and many other > > possible attacks) you do not have 100% security. > > You might have very good security but not 100%. > > > > > > To get a secure system it is not enough to consider things like > > cryptography and network protocols although those are important. > > It is also necessary to take into account attacks based on social > > engineering or physical breakins. > > > > > > > > > > > This is case where persistence is exactly what > > > > is needed to crack the system. One simply tries > > > > every possible password until one succeeds. > > > > > > With random eight-character alphanumeric passwords and five Telnet login attemps > > > per second, this will take about 1.25 million years, on average, far longer than > > > the lifetime of any attacker, persistent or otherwise. In other words, the > > > system is completely secure in this context through computational feasibility, > > > and you can make it theoretically 100% secure as well by installing a lockout > > > after a certain number of bad password attempts. > > > > The cracker might get lucky and guess the password on the first try. > > The probability of this happening is extremely low but it is non-zero. > > Therefore this is not theoretically 100% secure although in practice it > > is quite secure. > > > > > > > > Note: When I say 100% security above I really do mean 100%. I do not > > mean 99.99999% security which might well be obtainable (but probably > > prohibitively expensive since the cost of implementing such a level of > > security is likely higher than that which it is supposed to protect.) > > > > > > -- > > <Insert your favourite quote here.> > > Erik Trulsson > > ertr1013@student.uu.se > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > -- > ------------------------------------------------ > Martin Karlsson martin.karlsson@visit.se > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message -- ------------------------------------------------ Martin Karlsson martin.karlsson@visit.se To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
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