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Date:      Wed, 29 Apr 2020 08:44:22 -0300
From:      Joseph Mingrone <jrm@FreeBSD.org>
To:        Jan Henrik Sylvester <me@janh.de>
Cc:        Greg Lehey <grog@FreeBSD.org>,  svn-ports-all@freebsd.org,  Ashish SHUKLA <ashish@FreeBSD.org>
Subject:   Re: Which ImageMagick?
Message-ID:  <86pnbqikix.fsf@phe.ftfl.ca>
In-Reply-To: <227b5d36-81dc-5316-2597-7f5e4c5096e5@janh.de> (Jan Henrik Sylvester's message of "Wed, 29 Apr 2020 11:22:34 %2B0200")
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Jan Henrik Sylvester <me@janh.de> writes:

> On 4/29/20 7:53 AM, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote:
>> On Monday, 27 April 2020 at 18:52:08 +0200, Jan Henrik Sylvester wrote:
>>> On 4/27/20 11:22 AM, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote:
>>>>> If I am not mistaken, now emacs cannot be installed at the same time
>>>>> as for example kde5 (kdemultimedia, kdenlive, dvdauthor,
>>>>> ImageMagick6), inkscape (ImageMagick6), or calligra (pstoedit,
>>>>> ImageMagick6).

>>>> Clearly your choice is different from mine.  I found that most ports
>>>> depended on ImageMagick 7, not 6.  And since it's not a legacy
>>>> version, it made sense to go that way.

>>> Of course, personal choices vary, but according to FreshPorts, there are
>>> 5+4 ports requiring ImageMagick7 for libraries or run and there are
>>> 30+49 f=C3=BCr ImageMagick6. Moreover, most of the ports requiring
>>> ImageMagick7 are leaf ports while some of the ports requiring
>>> ImageMagick6 are needed by some of the big chains like the one mentioned
>>> above leading to kde5.
>> I don't do freshports, but I took a look through the ports Makefiles:
>>    cd /usr/ports
>>    find . -name Makefile | xargs grep ImageMagick6 | less
>> and I don't see any reference to ImageMagick in the KDE context.
>> Possibly it's a dependency with a different name.
>> What I do see is that a lot of the dependencies look like:
>>    ./graphics/curator/Makefile:RUN_DEPENDS=3D        convert:graphics/Im=
ageMagick6
>> That suggests that it's only running ImageMagick programs.
>> Apart from that, yes, you're right, there are more hits on 6 than on
>> 7, but by no means as many as freshports leads you to believe.

> I am right apart from what exactly? What is exactly wrong with FreshPorts=
 results? RUN_DEPENDS are package dependencies. They cause=20
> conflicts even for people that do not build on the machine the package is=
 supposed to run on. Grepping with your command, I get 153=20
> dependencies that are not just build dependencies. Some of them are optio=
nal, that is the main reason FreshPorts having lower numbers.

> find /usr/ports -name Makefile | xargs grep ImageMagick6 | grep -v BUILD =
| wc -l

> That is by no means the best approach (using the INDEX or the result of a=
 package builder would be more useful), but it is your command.

> It does not matter what you believe is easily fixable. I just stated what=
 is broken now, which was not broken before your commit.

> Granted, the chain I listed leading to kde5 has an optional dependency in=
 it that is not default, but the default packages of calligra and=20
> inkscape are affected (and there are probably more people than just me ha=
ving dvdauthor depend on ImageMagick6 as it is needed for basic=20
> operations and dvdauthor is not optional for kde5). Anyhow, as long as yo=
u do not work recursively, your search does not tell you which=20
> conflicts you create and you have no chance to find the chain I listed le=
ading to kde5.

> The ImageMagick7 port is five years old. Still many ports depend on Image=
Magick6. For me, this suggests that the change is not trivial or=20
> not wanted. (For example, Debian has all dependencies on 6, too.)

> You fixed the conflicts of emacs with some ports, but broke it for many m=
any people. The first group has workarounds, the seconds does not.

> As I know FreeBSD, consequences of changes negatively affecting many peop=
le are evaluated first. If people forget to do that or make mistakes=20
> in their evaluation, they usually revert their change for the duration of=
 a proper evaluation.

> I am not into fixing ImageMagick dependencies, I just told you that I thi=
nk you broke the setup of many people.

> Reverting your change, you could introduce a non default option for emacs=
 to depend on ImageMagick7 instead of ImageMagick6, but I am in no=20
> position to tell you what is best here.

> Best regards,
> Jan Henrik

Hello Greg,

Below is an example of the fallout messages we are now receiving as a
result of the hasty change to Imagemagick7.  I will try updating this
port to use ImageMagick7.  I mention this just to hammer home the point
again that such changes really need to be coordinated.  `(git|svn) log`
would have shown that there was lots of activity on editors/emacs.

Joseph

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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 10:48:58 GMT
From: pkg-fallout@FreeBSD.org
To: jrm@FreeBSD.org
Subject: [package - head-amd64-default][print/pdf-tools] Failed for pdf-too=
ls-emacs26_canna-0.90.34_6 in lib-depends
Cc: pkg-fallout@FreeBSD.org

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