From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Mon Aug 27 09:55:25 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC0E4108288B; Mon, 27 Aug 2018 09:55:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller6722@twc.com) Received: from dnvrco-cmomta01.email.rr.com (dnvrco-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.73.229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3D7A487103; Mon, 27 Aug 2018 09:55:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller6722@twc.com) Received: from localhost ([96.28.161.151]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id uDuLf7V3cceP9uDuNfG61E; Mon, 27 Aug 2018 09:34:04 +0000 Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2018 09:32:15 +0000 From: "Thomas Mueller" To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org CC: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: drm / drm2 removal in 12 References: <20180824215302.ivfna55jtrtc5trg@freebsd480.station> <86k1oepbdr.fsf@next.des.no> <180f8f99-5fa1-1411-59e6-856e3ebc370c@cameron.net> X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfF6aVO1HgAf5t8DXtTaAww4r+H0PebOJqBfSNMljwDHdL8e7JIC13j2X29zaf/3zHnq5ZRWkOXEouAIreaD3JoXtUmi0fUThJ0M4nybdTXDWUBQwBBB5 PfA7+A2oF6+fRAmE/8usGwfPMPLcxyMwjfUOw2OeqT5+86lJA2RDM4Q5HZpgEmxXcgQBFDDirmASwtQdOTxA2b612w7eDSdL8WQ= X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2018 09:55:25 -0000 Excerpt from Oliver Pinter: > Let's do some more step backwards, and see how the graphics driver > developments works from the corporation side. > They not bother about any of the BSDs, they focus only to Windows and > Linux. If you want to use a recent (haha recent, something after 2014) you > are forced to use new drivers from linux. > The fore/advantage on the Linux side are the zillions of corporately paid > kernel developers. > They can just focus on a new hw supports, on freebsd side, there are no > corporately paid drm driver developer. Sadly. > In linux word their internal KPI (try a Google for a "stable API nonsense" > words) moves so fastly, that porting of these drivers gets non trivial > without a dedicated paid team. > If you want to change on this situation, try to learn for you could help or > send directed donations to freebsd foundation. ;) Linux and FreeBSD are not the only open-source OSes. There is also (Net, Open, DragonFly)BSD, Haiku, OpenIndiana and others. Maybe better would be for the hardware manufacturers to release more general specifications that could be adapted to any OS, by the NetBSD developers, Haiku developers, etc. Certainly not to ignore Linux. Tom