From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 20 13:13:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 071E116A4DD for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 13:13:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (lurza.secnetix.de [83.120.8.8]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FDF543D53 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 13:13:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (pyjsba@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k6KDDDhp092921 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 15:13:18 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.13.4/8.13.1/Submit) id k6KDDCrP092920; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 15:13:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from olli) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 15:13:12 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <200607201313.k6KDDCrP092920@lurza.secnetix.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <1153397244.66653@origin.intron.ac> X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-hackers User-Agent: tin/1.8.0-20051224 ("Ronay") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/4.11-STABLE (i386)) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.1.2 (lurza.secnetix.de [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 20 Jul 2006 15:13:18 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 14:12:41 +0000 Cc: Subject: Re: Improving FreeBSD's hardware compatibility X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 13:13:22 -0000 Intron wrote: > Peter Jeremy wrote: > > Getting action from vendors has been unsuccessful in the past - the > > Free OS community (Linux + *BSD) is too small for vendors to be > > concerned about. > > I cannot agree with you. Linux has achieved much more support from > hardware vendors than FreeBSD. Interestingly, when I looked for a new laptop last year, it turned out that the number of laptops that ran FreeBSD was greater than those that ran Linux. (I finally chose a Samsung X20-XVM 1600-V, which works perfectly fine for me except for the built-in winmodem [which I don't need anyway]. A Linux live CD didn't even boot on it.) > You may look in Linux source code. > In linux-2.6.x/drivers/, there are so many hardware drivers. Yeah, most of which are crap. :-) The raw number of drivers says _nothing_ about hardware vendors' support. > > I suspect the best solution is to publicise configurations that are > > known to work and what problems exist with other configurations. I tend to agree with Peter here. By the way, a very good resource for hardware support information is the search facility at Rambler: http://freebsd.rambler.ru/ Best regards Oliver PS: I think this thread might be inappropriate for the -hackers list. How about moving it to either -hardware or -chat? (I watch them all, so either is fine with me.) -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing Dienstleistungen mit Schwerpunkt FreeBSD: http://www.secnetix.de/bsd Any opinions expressed in this message may be personal to the author and may not necessarily reflect the opinions of secnetix in any way. "Documentation is like sex; when it's good, it's very, very good, and when it's bad, it's better than nothing." -- Dick Brandon