From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 9 17:01:32 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA43116A4CE for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 17:01:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [17.250.248.46]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A688A43D2D for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 17:01:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from mac.com (smtpin08-en2 [10.13.10.153]) by smtpout.mac.com (8.12.6/MantshX 2.0) with ESMTP id i59H1WeY028063; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 10:01:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.1.1.193] (nfw2.codefab.com [199.103.21.225] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0)i59H1UBO009246; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 10:01:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20040609011934.GA393@moo.holy.cow> References: <20040609011934.GA393@moo.holy.cow> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Charles Swiger Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 13:01:29 -0400 To: Parv X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 4.9-STABLE --> 4.8-RELEASE downgrade. Pitfalls? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 17:01:33 -0000 On Jun 8, 2004, at 9:19 PM, Parv wrote: > wrote Chuck Swiger thusly... >> Thanks for the response, Parv, but ugh! I cringe at the notion that >> continually tweaking make and the port Makefiles causes problems >> with backwards compatibility to a still-supported FreeBSD release. > > That looks like the message that i sent to one of the FreeBSD lists. > After searching PR database, it seems somebody else found the exact > reason... > > http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=ports/60288 Ah! Per se, a bugfix to make isn't the same thing as changing the features of make, so I am somewhat less concerned about this specific case than the general one. > I think life w/ NetBSD would not be so bad via its FreeBSD ports > equivalent "pkgsrc". One other known benefit, via pkgviews, is that > multiple versions of a particular an be simultaneously installed/used > at the cost of use of many symbolic links. > > Here are some things on pkgsrc ... Yes, I'm using NetBSD and pkgsrc a little bit myself, although I am much more familiar with FreeBSD than the former. I found NetBSD to be fine but, hmm, minimalist? The notion of a package system that works everywhere is a good one, I just wish it played nice with the local platform conventions a little more closely, just as I wish that the perl+BSDPAN combination in FreeBSD ports would play nice with using CPAN directly a little better. -- -Chuck