From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Mon Dec 4 12:20:08 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0164DFAFE9 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 12:20:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from cdptpa-cmomta01.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.226]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BF34A65FFC for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 12:20:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from raspberrypi.bildanet.com ([65.186.81.207]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id LpgHeZI2npPPWLpgJe7hW8; Mon, 04 Dec 2017 12:17:08 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.143] (helo=desktop.example.com) by raspberrypi.bildanet.com with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1eLpj4-0005Ix-Nr for freebsd-ports@freebsd.org; Mon, 04 Dec 2017 12:19:58 +0000 To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org From: Baho Utot Subject: Re: Welcome flavors! portmaster now dead? synth? Message-ID: <5698c0c6-e8f0-805a-2289-3eeb7911a5a3@columbus.rr.com> Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2017 07:19:58 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfKQ/kNE2UYPtVoU8xsEbzdPND7Elyb6MC0rKh+govYWayJhA86g8EaynDnhBn8/Idvf9gsXxUsRgdL8HaXtEAx5Vwd3IDAW2DOHAeY+ftvFwyPmMapM/ H1AUT83JDW+y5B2oWva6ud2FADplx+sE+KcUGRNavzYs+GFHQykCP50D0zn2+Tyq2kiXdwJlp0aQydsZjueyEbIqKNfopktdGWw= X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2017 12:20:09 -0000 On 12/03/17 20:47, Dennis Glatting wrote: > On Sun, 2017-12-03 at 20:07 +0000, Steven Hartland wrote: >> People really seem to miss the point that there are only finite >> resources >> and as an open source project that depends on people volunteering >> their >> time to add new features and maintain tools. > > Missing the point cuts both ways. > > If you have a a couple swaths of servers managed to certain tool chains > then the conversion process is an unnecessary and non-trivial resource > consumption. I have moved servers to Ubuntu and (groan) other Linux > flavors and customized the processes because: > > 1) I am tired of port breakage. I am past tired of being told to read > UPDATEs when UPDATEs often has limited information, including install > conflicts. > > 2) "Error 70" on installs with no indication of where the error was > incurred and thus requiring me to make with debug flags and then dig > deep is past annoying. > > 3) Nvidia does not support CUDA under FreeBSD and this is a problem > for TensorFlow and other applications. If I went the OpenCL route > (e.g., AMD GPUs) then my application base would be significantly > limited. I don't consider Intel a serious solution. > > Further: > > 1) Under FreeBSD I do not do binaries, rather I do source and I do > source for reasons. Under Linux, source is troublesome. > > 2) I had no hope of getting Intel Phi processors working under FreeBSD > but I do have them working under Linux, including the older Phis under > CentOS. I recognize this is an Intel problem which is one of the > reasons I do not consider Intel a serious solution, not to mention the > requirements and cost of an Intel compiler and Intel libraries. > > 3) FreeBSD offers me ZFS and FreeNAS as an alternative, particularly > for HyperV/VMware SANS. Under Linux, ZFS has historically been > troublesome. > > > These are nothing more than a few data points. Please do not bother > with the "then become a maintainer" response. It is not that I do not > appreciate the efforts of others but that statement is a BS response, > you know it, and I'll simply delete your message. > > > Exactly +1 for this