From owner-freebsd-current Wed Jun 19 09:14:27 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA23741 for current-outgoing; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 09:14:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from epprod.elsevier.co.uk (epprod.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.35]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA23721; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 09:14:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk (snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]) by epprod.elsevier.co.uk (8.6.13/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA20231; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 17:12:53 +0100 Received: from cadair.elsevier.co.uk (actually host cadair) by snowdon with SMTP (PP); Wed, 19 Jun 1996 17:13:11 +0100 Received: (from dpr@localhost) by cadair.elsevier.co.uk (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA21235; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 17:12:28 +0100 Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 17:12:28 +0100 Message-Id: <199606191612.RAA21235@cadair.elsevier.co.uk> To: rjk@sparcmill.grauel.com (Richard J Kuhns) Cc: p.richards@elsevier.co.uk, Poul-Henning Kamp , current@FreeBSD.org Subject: tcl -- what's going on here. In-Reply-To: <199606191521.KAA24028@sparcmill.grauel.com> References: <199606190353.NAA28433@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> <480.835157755@critter.tfs.com> <199606191153.MAA07207@cadair.elsevier.co.uk> <199606191521.KAA24028@sparcmill.grauel.com> Reply-To: p.richards@elsevier.co.uk From: Paul Richards X-Attribution: Paul X-Mailer: GNU Emacs [19.30.1], RMAIL, Mailcrypt [3.3] Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Richard" == Richard J Kuhns writes: Richard> Paul Richards writes: ... >> From my point of view, the comments in the first paragraph above >> apply ONLY Richard> to those persons maintaining the source tree, not to the Richard> people who use it. Unless I'm the person who's doing the Richard> work, I don't care if you use bmake, gnumake, dmake, or Richard> something else I've never heard of to control the actual Richard> dependency checking and recompilation; I just want to be able Richard> to either "cd" to the appropriate directory and type "make && Richard> make install" or "cd /usr/src; make world". I disagree, even as just a user of the tree the tcl port is broken since it doesn't pay any attention to the controls that I use when building my src tree, I listed some examples such as NOPROFILE and the obj dir.. >> This is all really nasty, there's no compelling reason for tcl to >> be brought into the main tree, Richard> tcl is on every system I administer; I use it extensively. Richard> Linked with the appropriate libraries, it can greatly speed Richard> the development of tools using those libraries. IMHO, Richard> bringing tcl into the main tree would encourage the growth Richard> and development of FreeBSD. It was easily accessible in ports. >> This whole tcl idea is just plain wrong Richard> Are you referring to bringing tcl into the main tree, to not Richard> making a `bmake port' of it, or using tcl in general? -- Specifically not bmaking it. I'm not that bothered about it being brought into the main tree if it had been done properly.