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From: Garrett Wollman <wollman@bimajority.org>
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Subject: Re: RFC: Proposal: Install a /etc/ssl/cert.pem by default?
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<<On Fri, 4 Jul 2014 00:14:48 +0200, Daniel Roethlisberger <daniel@roe.ch> said:

> [1] There is no such thing as a perfect CA bundle (i.e. both
>     secure *and* usable) given how broken the whole CA system is
>     these days.

So is anyone working on DANE support in libfetch and other base-system
utilities?  Let's lead on this rather than just flaming about how CAs
suck....

-GAWollman