From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Tue May 21 10:26:15 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCE9315A97ED for ; Tue, 21 May 2019 10:26:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dimpase@gmail.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5625687A23 for ; Tue, 21 May 2019 10:26:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dimpase@gmail.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 1614F15A97EC; Tue, 21 May 2019 10:26:14 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E616B15A97EB for ; Tue, 21 May 2019 10:26:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dimpase@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lf1-x135.google.com (mail-lf1-x135.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::135]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 93B5987A21; Tue, 21 May 2019 10:26:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dimpase@gmail.com) Received: by mail-lf1-x135.google.com with SMTP id d8so12631541lfb.8; Tue, 21 May 2019 03:26:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=QCUWQx7GtmD+5jHZd2pnMe7Dk2M6zro1aTTjD0/7vLk=; b=TuMXYRp6P0G7qFysbJldn1N8TiLfs2SVX40Zzh/MTG1fQq38OhcxgfA82xh2V7zqbA 6CaEZnRJbcLIurCPxcKADW9nWnePLTzI77NoRYmsMzRQsa23KFh1lPabkLIWCRaPWVT2 YeCe6/3SQim2jZ9rLnaGkDkz12j86BqdsEfwVRkZColKff3mK/f10P6q8wdVjTfd+b5P yQAKKIBmjiOm+TFILIEEb2ago3w+4UWaEeyYc5XX4PffmwJHzoBMZrnOLtCoc/wC6iGb nOSYjFQxfV7ClDtU5jPhu0myilriFIsZ02xoP4fhHTo3t50C5NRR623B0W9igPAJHPqf O70g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=QCUWQx7GtmD+5jHZd2pnMe7Dk2M6zro1aTTjD0/7vLk=; b=KI234+OcBIKz+O9kRns0C0vPmeKGApGM3utxYjsibbr35PzC35D9eNAqQb7lBhuDZc iZJwYkFpBp/686jGIrkmywhd5nn/JrvcE5w/x3vy8tx+7G+6x5IP5tiSRRmIAutiC8hK b1mcNNUVN6vt0VvAWOBHoWDkSnV3OGapZadjXTyKoqrrnfK27QvuKqsPo8mP+4GGYyrG ZONLhgBmubY4+yxEXTaa2juXgwGQ3nPXnUghDdSYk1xtcm5sfOtxupuDNPSBFmqb0tBC 0b2egNn7a1tuAHDixGsqC4dhPyqRueg51+zRdrqK8ti7OsmrDR2DcK7Yv0JfsXaB1wsd wFQg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVfmTS6tu2j5ogPStawBJU5WrzfCYY3Xm1byc/4EI2+TGUTicbw C8+mOnKM24QJjr3MoSvubRTu9gnPRPZrTJWFXguSCs+X X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqy1Hg+HU5VmRxavqEpvPS7H8UMh21iXCVK8EigfcJflNm6ZYYS8mt3X6HQJd0htUBI5qBf4aL83AJRVdNNZr7k= X-Received: by 2002:a19:e619:: with SMTP id d25mr14553323lfh.34.1558434369088; Tue, 21 May 2019 03:26:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <868svf6r05.fsf@phe.ftfl.ca> <201905111423.x4BEND1t058226@fire.js.berklix.net> In-Reply-To: <201905111423.x4BEND1t058226@fire.js.berklix.net> From: Dima Pasechnik Date: Tue, 21 May 2019 11:25:56 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Core: Yes please, Code of Conduct committee: No Thanks. To: current@freebsd.org Cc: FreeBSD Core Team Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 93B5987A21 X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=TuMXYRp6; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dimpase@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::135 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=dimpase@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.62 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[5.3.1.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.5.4.1.0.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.79)[-0.787,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[freebsd]; IP_SCORE(-2.83)[ip: (-9.61), ipnet: 2a00:1450::/32(-2.20), asn: 15169(-2.27), country: US(-0.06)]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 May 2019 10:26:15 -0000 On Sat, May 11, 2019 at 3:25 PM Julian H. Stacey wrote: > > FreeBSD Core Team Secretary wrote: > > The FreeBSD Core Team is aware of recent controversial statements made > > on social media by a FreeBSD developer. We, along with the Code of > > Conduct review committee, are investigating the matter and will decide > > what action to take. Both the Core Team and the FreeBSD Foundation > > would like to make it clear that views shared by individuals represent > > neither the Project nor the Foundation. > > Core@ statements always welcome. > > But Code of Conduct committee merit no automatic credence since: > > Code of Conduct aims were cloned from an ultra feminist group of > non FreeBSD members, part paid by foundation, then shoved on > FreeBSD before discussion, by a voluble few in FreeBSD The present matter has nothing to do with feminism. Anyway, as someone who has been chased upon by a gang of youths screaming "zhidovskaya morda" ("Jewish snout") (Moscow, USSR, circa 1975, tough neighbourhood, and well, I have a Jewish grandmother) I absolutely do not appreciate the sort of thoughtless "freedom of speech" blah blah, as far as expressions of hate towards particular ethnic groups are . Because they always incite violence. And yes, in USSR persons with ethnically Jewish parents had "Jew" written in their internal IDs (just like in Nazi Germany). Under this commonly accepted definition, saying "I hate Jews", as Mr. Kamp did on twitter, is full-blown racism, and Mr. Kamp ought to offer an apology for this - while he does not do it in http://phk.freebsd.dk/sagas/israel/ While in some jurisdictions hate speech is legally protected, it does not take away the hate in hate speech, and people generally don't like being hated. Hate originating from a freebsd.* domain is not good for the project. Let me point few things in the latter: * there is nothing like "the jewish religion" - there is a religion called Judaism, as Mr. Kamp ought to understand before making statements on these. Everyone can convert to Judaism, by the way. * Jews who are not Israeli citizens are about as responsible for policies of Israel as descendants of Vikings are responsible for policies of Scandinavian states of today. * I don't know anything about the legal status of the domain "freebsd.dk" --- nevertheless I don't think it does do much good to the reputation of FreeBSD to have these slightly illiterate writings there (although it might be bringing Mr.Kamp lucrative contracts from such pillars of democracy and free thought and speech as Saudi Arabia, Syria, and Iran :-)) Best, Dima http://users.ox.ac.uk/~coml0531/ > > The new CoC terms were hotly disputed. core@ failed to remove it > before many tuned out, despairing of the politics [& lack of core@ > backbone, probably themselves scared of being labeled anti-whatever], > > New CoC putch-ists took seats on CoC > > FreeBSD had a CoC before the putch with the new feminist etc CoC. > https://www.freebsd.org/internal/code-of-conduct.html > CoC could be replaced with the old one from SVN, or from > https://web.archive.org/web/*/https://www.freebsd.org/internal/code-of-conduct.html > > Cheers, > Julian > -- > Julian Stacey, Consultant Systems Engineer, BSD Linux Unix, Munich Aachen Kent > http://stolenvotes.uk Brexit ref. stole votes from 700,000 Brits in EU. > Lies bought; Groups fined; 1.9 M young had no vote, 1.3 M old leavers died. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"