Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 10:15:11 -0500 From: Louis LeBlanc <leblanc+freebsd@keyslapper.org> To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Smashing Bill Gates necessary? - ressurected? Message-ID: <20011102101511.A4574@keyslapper.org> In-Reply-To: <005c01c1636e$50647dc0$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> References: <20011101103050.A96028@keyslapper.org> <005c01c1636e$50647dc0$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com>
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--M9NhX3UHpAaciwkO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 11/01/01 11:16 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt sat at the `puter and typed: > >-----Original Message----- > >From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG > >[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Louis LeBlanc > >Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 7:31 AM > >To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG > >Subject: Re: Smashing Bill Gates necessary? - ressurected? > > > > Much as I hate to say it Ted, weren't you the one who originally asked > > that this thread be taken off list? >=20 > no >=20 > > I agreed with your statement that it was way OT, and the message you > > replied to here was sent off list. And to someone else exclusively. I > > was unaware that my statements were going to be brought back on list > > by some third party. >=20 > As a rule I don't post responses to private mail to public mailing lists. > If I did in your case I'm deeply sorry. Are you sure that it was me? > This thread has gotten pretty long. Actually, I think I get to eat some crow here. After reading your message I went back to the archives and my own 'sent' folder. I couldn't find the relevant messages in the archive, so maybe you weren't the person that asked that this thread be taken off list. Nor could I find any of the other messages in this thread. I did however find that the specific comments you quoted *were* sent on list, so I'm sorry for overreacting the way I did. Musta had a brainfart. Of course I probably shouldn't complain either. I've unintentionally brought threads back onlist myself. =2E . . > > I am having a little trouble understanding just where you stand on it >=20 > Simple. First, I assert that the idea that the anti-trust trial against > Microsoft shouldn't have happened is flat out wrong. Second I assert that > the idea that the findings of the various courts in the anti-trust trial > are irrelevant is also flat out wrong. After reading that carefully, I realize that you an I are actually in pretty strong agreement so far. > Basically, the anti-trust trial SHOULD have happened, and it's results=20 > are binding. Just because you or I or Bill Gates or anyone else doesen't > like the results, doesen't make the results wrong or irrelevant. In fact= I > consider that the issue of the rightness or wrongness of the results is > now completely irrelevant. Obedience by Microsoft and it's supporters > to the punishment the court determines is the only thing relevant. I > also assert that the judgement is correct except that it didn't go far > enough, and that Microsoft is even more guilty than what the court > determined. True. =20 > I also state that Microsoft has had in the past (and probably still does) > a campaign to push the idea out there that they are the victims of the > DoJ anti-trust trial. They also are attempting to push out the idea > that the results of the trial are irrelevant and don't matter to anyone. > Both of these ideas are carefully constructed lies by Microsoft's PR > department. > > When people talk about the anti-trust trial as though it's results are so= me > kind of "suggestion", they are consciously or unconsciously spreading the > lies that Microsoft's PR department has created. The finding of the court > is that Microsoft is an illegal monopoly, and people that do illegal thin= gs > are criminals. Bill Gates and the other company officers of Microsoft sh= ould > be put in prison for a time like any other criminal so they can reflect on > their crimes and understand that there is a price to unethical business > practices. Of course, the fact that the DOJ just rolled over when MS appealed the finding doesn't do much to fight those ideas. Of course there are still reports that there will be punishment, but the initial finding *did* in fact turn out to be just some kind of "suggestion". > People that argue that MS is being persecuted have no understanding of > the elaborate lies and deception that Microsoft practiced and the threats > and harassment that they practice and still practice, and the unethical > contracts that they force OEMs to sign. Microsoft literally destroyed > one of my previous employers (a software developer) > with their unethical business dealings and I know that it's true that they > are a pack of criminals, I've seen it happen right in front of me.=20 Wow. Well, no more uncertainty as to where you stand. I'm just glad I realized the error of my ways back when all I wanted to do was be a Windows developer. Now I won't even use it for my everyday stuff. Anyway. I really am sorry for the knee jerk reaction in my previous post. This thread had gotten pretty long and I guess I shoulda checked more thoroughly before bitching at you. Of course the idea that this is OT is correct, so sorry for continuing the OT Thread syndrome - I just felt that my apology to you, Ted, should be public since my complaints were. Cheers Lou --=20 Louis LeBlanc leblanc@keyslapper.org Fully Funded Hobbyist, KeySlapper Extrordinaire :) http://www.keyslapper.org =D4=BF=D4=AC Federal grants are offered for... research into the recreation potential of interplanetary space travel for the culturally disadvantaged. --M9NhX3UHpAaciwkO Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE74rh+eAPWYrNkRWIRAoI3AJ40HFuYRd4U93rQ/YXl3pKkzeqSJACcCU7S uPXi1UWJwTeliePt9bmYFa0= =lije -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --M9NhX3UHpAaciwkO-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
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