From owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 30 15:26:42 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E583106567B for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:26:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from weak.local (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F06F8FC1D; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:26:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: <4868FB2F.7010204@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:26:39 +0200 From: Kris Kennaway User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Macintosh/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Kozubik References: <20080628132632.R1807@kozubik.com> <864p7bw387.fsf@ds4.des.no> <20080630073539.U1807@kozubik.com> In-Reply-To: <20080630073539.U1807@kozubik.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org, =?UTF-8?B?RGFnLUVybGluZyBTbcO4cmdyYXY=?= Subject: Re: It's 2008. 1 TB disk drives cost $160. Quotas are 32-bit. X-BeenThere: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Filesystems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:26:42 -0000 John Kozubik wrote: > [1] I am _very_ excited about ZFS on FreeBSD and amazed at the great work > that pjd and others have put into it. They have total freedom to pursue > whatever they choose. However, FreeBSD has a core team for a reason - > direction and priorities need to be set and followed. FreeBSD does indeed have a core team for several reasons, but directing other developers to work on projects isn't among them. Indeed, you say as much in your previous sentence, but perhaps this is the cognitive dissonance at the core of your misunderstanding. Furthermore, every FreeBSD user has a different idea of what constitutes the "core" of the operating system, for them. quota support is obviously in your core feature set. That's fine, and I applaud you for doing something about its deficiencies (although as I have already noted, not your attitude in doing so). However, quota support is not in the core feature set of most developers, or dare I say most users. Likewise, you may be surprised to hear what kind of "peripheral" features other users and developers consider to be "core". For me, ZFS has become a core feature, even though to you it's merely a "shiny bauble". I am sure we can point to most systems in FreeBSD and find a user somewhere who considers it to be an indispensible, "core feature". Kris