From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Apr 17 09:17:09 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D02C22B0830 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 2020 09:17:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from viktormadarasz@SDF.ORG) Received: from mx.sdf.org (mx.sdf.org [205.166.94.20]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mx.sdf.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 493Vpq5V0xz4phx for ; Fri, 17 Apr 2020 09:17:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from viktormadarasz@SDF.ORG) Received: from sverige.freeshell.org (IDENT:viktormadarasz@sverige.freeshell.org [205.166.94.5]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id 03H99M4S018344 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO); Fri, 17 Apr 2020 09:09:22 GMT Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 09:09:22 +0000 (UTC) From: Viktor Madarasz X-X-Sender: viktormadarasz@iceland.freeshell.org To: Shane Ambler cc: malaizhichun@tom.com, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: freebsd should be rewritten based on microkernel architecture In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <3f1496d1f598c84b3871b630f161256e152aca75.camel@tom.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.21 (NEB 202 2017-01-01) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 493Vpq5V0xz4phx X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of viktormadarasz@SDF.ORG has no SPF policy when checking 205.166.94.20) smtp.mailfrom=viktormadarasz@SDF.ORG X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.78 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.86)[-0.860,0]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,body]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.22)[ip: (-0.70), ipnet: 205.166.94.0/24(-0.35), asn: 14361(-0.01), country: US(-0.05)]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[SDF.ORG]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; URIBL_RED(3.50)[trueos.org.multi.uribl.com]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.64)[-0.641,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; HAS_ANON_DOMAIN(0.10)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[20.94.166.205.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:14361, ipnet:205.166.94.0/24, country:US]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[tom.com]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 09:17:09 -0000 isnt trueos halted all future development? just wondering On Fri, 17 Apr 2020, Shane Ambler wrote: > Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 18:02:58 +0930 > From: Shane Ambler > To: malaizhichun@tom.com, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org > Subject: Re: freebsd should be rewritten based on microkernel architecture > > On 17/4/20 4:45 pm, kindu smith wrote: >> Hello, I am a user who likes UNIX-like systems. I have some experience >> using GNU / Linux and some experience using freebsd. I like the >> architecture of UNIX-like systems, but I am not proficient, so I just >> want to mention some improvements. The idea of freebsd experience, >> what is unscientific, welcome to advise. >> >> First of all, freebsd's architecture is very good, no need to invent >> the wheel, but freebsd's installation interface and startup interface >> are too old. It is time to make some changes. I think the freebsd with > > Have a look at trueos.org it adds a GUI installer to freebsd. > Expect the base freebsd to stick with a CLI installer to support the > non-gui server installs. > >> microkernel will be more stable. The / boot / kernel directory is very >> suitable for writing a small kernel, such as named core, and then > > I don't expect you will get much support for this change. > > Have a look at minix3.org, a few years back they got minix running as > the microkernel and use netbsd as the userland. > >> In addition, you need to redesign the installation interface and a >> complete desktop environment, because this is very important for >> novices. I don't think Gnome / kde / xfce or the like is used anymore. > > Those three main GUI desktops are in use by many people. If you want to > try something else have a look at x11/lumina, which is the new desktop > made for trueOS > >> It is designed for Linux, and the systemd it uses is not supported by >> Freebsd. >> >> Freebsd should design a gorgeous interface comparable to macos, in > > Don't expect freebsd to remove the CLI to replace it with a GUI. It is > still used as a non-gui server by many people. > > > > -- > FreeBSD - the place to B...Software Developing > > Shane Ambler > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > viktormadarasz@sdf.org SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.org