From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Mar 11 14:57: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from goblin.apana.org.au (goblin.apana.org.au [203.3.126.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C552937B718 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 14:56:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by goblin.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA27262; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 08:56:13 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from bryden.apana.org.au(203.3.126.129), claiming to be "roadrunner" via SMTP by goblin.apana.org.au, id smtpdj27260; Mon Mar 12 08:56:06 2001 Message-ID: <02a101c0aa7e$9984eac0$0200a8c0@apana.org.au> From: "Doug Young" To: "Laurence Berland" Cc: , "Jesper Holmberg" , , , , "Denis J. Cirulis" References: <01030800251100.00557@r55h47.res.gatech.edu> <20010308115639.A4298@strindberg.maisel.enst-bretagne.fr> <022801c0a7c0$024f8860$847e03cb@apana.org.au> <3AA79277.32455314@cfl.rr.com> <028b01c0a7e Subject: Re: About Unix <- Doug needs a good rebuking Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 08:57:04 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > NT (blech, migrating away) > OpenBSD > BSD/OS > Linux > Solaris > IOS (I don't know much, so I've never done anything with it, but of > course we use it in our Cisco gear) We had the odd NT .... as you say it is a dog. I've sometimes thought that a BSOD could be invoked by just poking ones tongue at it :), however the Win2K replacement is a horse of a different color completely ... still way short of BSD / Solaris in terms of uptimes but its almost usable now. I dunno where Bill gets his advice that W2K stays up for 6 months or more, but I regularly get a week & sometimes two out of it without a UPS, maybe a month when a UPS is used, I'd so probably use W2K in preference to linux. (assuming no application support issues) > > THe use of linux comes down to commercial software, for which we pay, > not being officially supported under FreeBSD. Had that not been the > case, I don't know which we'd be using. It'd be a lot more of a toss > up, but as an intern and the most junior member of the systems team, I > wouldn't get say anyway. I guess our use of FreeBSD in Apana is close to its ideal, in style of operation if not in magnitude. The only relevant services / applications needed are things like DNS / FTP / http (apache & ColdFusion) / SMTP (sendmail) / POP3 (cucipop) / database (mySQL) which are all supported. With many commercial clients I can install whatever I'm prepared to support ... in a few cases I've got Solaris / StarOffice in to replace Win98 / MS Office, however its almost obligatory to use some rendition of Windows O/S in commercial offices because of stuff like the DOS based accounting apps. I've been experimenting with various emulators etc also the very nice VNC remote control thingy. Thats a huge improvement on the quite usable (but bandwidth hogging) Windows Terminal Sevices. Both Solaris & SCO have interesting products too but still reliant on having a Windows box lurking around someplace. Maybe the use of BSD on workstations will get a boost after Sun releases Solaris 9 with Gnome .... if nothing else they will get rid of that ugly great paw thats currently plastered all over the place !! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message