From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 18 11:42:19 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22A5A37B404 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 11:42:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.86.163]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C2D143FCB for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 11:42:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phk@phk.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5IIgEBE042576; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 20:42:15 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from phk@phk.freebsd.dk) To: "Matthew D. Fuller" From: "Poul-Henning Kamp" In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:47:33 CDT." <20030618174733.GC10127@over-yonder.net> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 20:42:14 +0200 Message-ID: <42575.1055961734@critter.freebsd.dk> cc: arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: userland access to devices is moving! X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 18:42:19 -0000 In message <20030618174733.GC10127@over-yonder.net>, "Matthew D. Fuller" writes: > >Speaking as somebody whose reach of mailing lists notably exceeds his >grasp (as it always should be; otherwise what fun is it?), I often find >myself a little in the dark on what these sort of things really /mean/ to >the system in the end, and I think it would be a nice extension of these >sort of posts/proposals to have a sentence of summary, along the lines >of: Well, what can I say but: "You're right". I do on the other hand not think that emails to arch@ is the best forum for the in-depth explanations. The "blueprint" articles which I am trying to restart in DĉmonNews may not be either, but I think they are more the right kind of forum for it. I am still warming up to the article format, and the amount of feedback so far has not really given me any feel for how complex issues I can tackle without the readers just skipping the article. The _real_ problem of course is that whenever I try to explain some of this stuff in text I end up with a totally incomprehensible piece of prose which entirely fails to communicate the simplicity of the underlying issue (and I suck at drawing graphics too). It is in other words equally frustrating from this end to not be able to communicate it better :-( -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence.