From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 14 19:16:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA09433 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 19:16:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [139.130.136.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA09412 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 19:16:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id LAA00661; Fri, 15 May 1998 11:46:08 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980515114608.H305@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 11:46:08 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Coidan_Sm=F8rgrav?= , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The dumbing-down of programming References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=3Cxzpzpglxfxj=2Efsf=40hrotti=2Eifi=2Euio=2Eno=3E=3B_from?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_Dag-Erling_Coidan_Sm=F8rgrav__on_Thu=2C_May_14=2C_1998_a?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?t_01:14:32PM_+0200?= WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 14 May 1998 at 13:14:32 +0200, Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav wrote: > This was pointed out to me by a fellow student: > > ".. Most of the programming team consisted of programmers who had > great facility with Windows, Microsoft Visual C++ and the Foundation > Classes. In no time at all, it seemed, they had generated many > screenfuls of windows and toolbars and dialogs, all with connections > to networks and data sources, thousands and thousands of lines of > code. But when the inevitable difficulties of debugging came, they > seemed at sea. In the face of the usual weird and unexplainable > outcomes, they stood a bit agog. It was lef to the UNIX-trained > programmers to fix things. The UNIX team members were accustomed to > having to know. .." > > http://www.salon1999.com/21st/feature/ Are you sure you have the correct URL? I can't find anything like that there. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message