From owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Sun Sep 9 19:42:55 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33768109CF56 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2018 19:42:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chmeeedalf@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lj1-x235.google.com (mail-lj1-x235.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 927187F5A5; Sun, 9 Sep 2018 19:42:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chmeeedalf@gmail.com) Received: by mail-lj1-x235.google.com with SMTP id m84-v6so16067547lje.10; Sun, 09 Sep 2018 12:42:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alumni-cwru-edu.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=xaCF16sDixOwFvXmQs5yc5tTxW0DG6igAWukxzM36js=; b=R5l6SkcGB+uGXvuz0JF2OtwNNimE5y86QXFSRL7EfxPvbjOO3X6CVbomdkvr/G2hHO XJo5H+RYvlisRdIk9ZkgTEBQqkv8hFI4/ks6JXIRNwd2Q9IG7Pwylo8rElLt2A1vU6Ek dNeqCkAqs4UVAenTSokTUnaOigw6Gh+IO0gs35dDzgdqIGocLNnySJf/us0nRveGnZtY wmnS2uB9VXjDJQ402DsB6U2EqnYM7oItYF7uDRfGOpdehhHCNt+DVLn0muu+d4MyuXYB mfCMBkAF3bm/UWvpwGPqp+qETNl8zKdORLV0xaZcIg8hN7r2yNz+72JQ9nUhoP7xOMtM dKJA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=xaCF16sDixOwFvXmQs5yc5tTxW0DG6igAWukxzM36js=; b=qzUgqIjydt8sYLuk62pmtQQK8tmst0vi0r0b/Yh9aoWaOeMDNe0WSnej4MMwyCE5Dx cWzhu9CncUI/dq06rZ75ArEGIuUTUfHe4ZYOEFLgIMKiSOcI2+OQ6GObxErCu08n5Sda LexXxjjhuXcQFAgjcmktaLkP0APpYgSNW468FgSLvbsRfSZf5SE198qWUOOUzg8W7D6I DtSPdRR4SMOtU74Z0sxiqV//Nrm6HyaJMy5mY4JEvWtOcP5bPDyWoD3WPTremHJPV7Re WMWlmh6WZdNOBHvUPtnIBHFcVmhINRzsyXR+dyNif7IQPWkiPC99GAFVvUBD4IPT0zVZ vLzg== X-Gm-Message-State: APzg51DbeREZfQbIFteF2PJzeE0Idp1u7OFbt9xwJLqH0h6SX/5hPrhg OElN/+/dr4OEFEI2kLmWyGmywPpycjBWYU+qehaeCw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ANB0VdYJVeObrsfO4PUYkKNcLwD3VVfAFHl1ONTHNX7/ygt6PqjBKTEg7m8VncGFWHn8cIMVWbUHrNbsyuS/2JqRkmI= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:8346:: with SMTP id l6-v6mr11110540ljh.72.1536522172841; Sun, 09 Sep 2018 12:42:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <639A96B3-0661-47B9-81A7-1284A6AE9733@icloud.com> <35d1fdd4-3aac-7b2b-a778-36c517da7ade@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <35d1fdd4-3aac-7b2b-a778-36c517da7ade@FreeBSD.org> From: Justin Hibbits Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 14:42:39 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Which platform should I download for FreeBSD? To: matthew@freebsd.org Cc: "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2018 19:42:55 -0000 On Sun, Sep 9, 2018 at 11:14 AM Matthew Seaman wrote: > > On 09/09/2018 14:20, Miroslav Lachman wrote: > > Jason Lindsey via freebsd-arch wrote on 2018/09/09 01:53: > >> I hope you help me, > >> > >> I own a iMac 64, and do not know if I should download amd64 or arm64 > >> platforms to support FreeBSD. I would appreciate an answer to my > >> question ASAP, in that I currently learning Solaris 10 and other > >> versions of BSD software. I would like to include FreeBSD in my studies. > > Solaris 10 is SysV, not BSD. You have to go all the way back to SunOS > 4.x for the last BSD variant from Sun. A pedantic distinction I know, > but it's what some of us live for. > > > I don't own any Apple products but AFAIK all modern Apple computers are > > using Intel x86 CPUs. If this is true for your model then you need to > > download amd64 version of FreeBSD system. > > According to Wikipedia (the source of all knowledge....) the iMac G3, G4 > or G5 systems were based on PowerPC processors -- > > - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMac_G3 > - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMac_G4 > - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMac_G5 > > However those were discontinued in 2006 in favour of the Intel based iMac > > - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMac_(Intel-based) > > So, unless the OP has a rather elderly machine, amd64 is the > architecture you need. There did use to be some PPC support in FreeBSD, > but it never was a Tier-1 architecture, and I think it's basically > unsupported if not gone entirely on up-to-date versions of the OS. PowerPC is well supported, and even has two new quite active developers. It runs on older Apple hardware, IBM POWER* server hardware, and embedded Freescale Book-E hardware. I myself have all three variants: multiple PowerMacs and PowerBooks, 3 Book-E systems (including two desktop systems), and a Talos POWER9 system, all running FreeBSD. There is a strong effort underway to have official PowerPC packages built as well. So it's far from being unsupported. - Justin