Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 02:05:26 +0800 From: Julian Elischer <julian@freebsd.org> To: George Mitchell <george+freebsd@m5p.com>, Jason Unovitch <junovitch@FreeBSD.org> Cc: "ports@FreeBSD.org" <ports@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: what is the purpose of the quarterly ports branches? Message-ID: <db995492-2e93-1979-ecf3-d978f78d0f74@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <3a97d014-1b8b-7e34-6704-1ee5fd8b97ca@m5p.com> References: <7c73fc75-b4d9-063d-02f9-628e06f8d4bd@freebsd.org> <CAOc73CDiZM9N9o6cQb6kU7x8bCvgsA_cL2Q28QjJpSdBzCBD_A@mail.gmail.com> <20161207025955.GA21488@Silverstone> <3a97d014-1b8b-7e34-6704-1ee5fd8b97ca@m5p.com>
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On 7/12/2016 10:12 PM, George Mitchell wrote: > On 12/06/16 21:59, Jason Unovitch wrote: >> On Mon, Dec 05, 2016 at 10:48:20PM +0000, Ben Woods wrote: >>> On Tue., 6 Dec. 2016 at 4:44 am, Julian Elischer <julian@freebsd.org> wrote: >>> >>>> they are effectively useless because the results are not archived, and >>>> the quarterly pkg branch actually changes day by day, so making two >>>> machines from the same quarterly branch can give you different >>>> machines (making it useless for paying work) >>>> >>>> not to mention that if you use the quarterly pkg branch you run he >>>> risk of it completely changing if you happen to be unlucky enough to >>>> be doing it across a quarterly boundary. then you end up with a >>>> completely messed up system. (from experience). >>>> >> If you are handling the burden of support for a customer then perhaps >> Poudriere and building internally is the best option. Then if you want >> to stay on an older quarterly because none of what you deploy to >> customers is impacted by security issues you can roll them at your own >> pace. >> >>>> But the big question still remains.. >>>> >>>> What do you think you are solving and why are they changing? shouldn't >>>> a snapshot be stable? >> >> Think releng compared to stable in the src repo rather than >> release/stable. They change in the same fashion to get SA (in the form >> of VuXML) and errata worthy fixes. >> [...] > If only! At least the current base releng does not arbitrarily > disappear every three months. -- George so I think there is a simple partial fix to stop SOME of the worst problems. Name the package quarterly sets the same as the ports branches, Use a symlink to point to them. and keep them around for 6 months, so there are always 2, one of which has pretty much stopped changing. (and provide an EASY way to snarf the lot. currently it's done via an index.html or something that screws it up. >
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