From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Jan 7 7:42:27 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14DBF37B401 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 07:42:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from srv1.cosmo-project.de (srv1.cosmo-project.de [213.83.6.106]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D32BB43ED8 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 07:42:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ticso@cicely8.cicely.de) Received: from cicely5.cicely.de (cicely5.cicely.de [IPv6:3ffe:400:8d0:301:200:92ff:fe9b:20e7]) by srv1.cosmo-project.de (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h07FgFQU074930 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=OK); Tue, 7 Jan 2003 16:42:17 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ticso@cicely8.cicely.de) Received: from cicely8.cicely.de (cicely8.cicely.de [10.1.1.10]) by cicely5.cicely.de (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h07FgDfQ048293 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Tue, 7 Jan 2003 16:42:14 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ticso@cicely8.cicely.de) Received: from cicely8.cicely.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cicely8.cicely.de (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h07FgC5W035380; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 16:42:13 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ticso@cicely8.cicely.de) Received: (from ticso@localhost) by cicely8.cicely.de (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h07FgAZY035379; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 16:42:11 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 16:42:08 +0100 From: Bernd Walter To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: ticso@cicely.de, "Schroeder, Aaron" , "'freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: 5305 kernel compile issues with 5.0RC2 Message-ID: <20030107154208.GE28476@cicely8.cicely.de> Reply-To: ticso@cicely.de References: <025596A38A894B45AFE62346A6BF47464E34D9@waexch1.qgraph.com> <15898.58016.810412.610032@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20030107152408.GD28476@cicely8.cicely.de> <15898.62125.546133.489680@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <15898.62125.546133.489680@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD cicely8.cicely.de 5.0-CURRENT i386 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Jan 07, 2003 at 10:30:53AM -0500, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > Bernd Walter writes: > > On Tue, Jan 07, 2003 at 09:22:24AM -0500, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > > BTW, attempting to remove the keyboard controller for a serial machine > > > is a silly microptimization. You'll save a few K of kernel memory, at > > > the cost of totally screwing yourself if you ever need to boot the > > > machine with a graphics head (like if your terminal server goes bad). > > > > I've learned that it's required to remove them. > > It is to force booting the machine with serial. > > I think that's nuts. If we don't respect the SRM console variable, > then we have a bug. One that I"ve never seen, btw. Can you point to > a scenario where this happens? It was directly after the quoted part. Not a bug, but non thinking persons. I just don't want anyone to ever boot anything else than serial. Just make it absolutely impossible to avoid accidents. It's a "don't even think about graphics" configuration for servers. And believe me - in some situations that's a major optimization from the maintenance standpoint. I don't get your point why I would ever need a graphical console on a machine which is intended to run on serial. -- B.Walter COSMO-Project http://www.cosmo-project.de ticso@cicely.de Usergroup info@cosmo-project.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message