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Date:      Mon, 02 Apr 2012 20:12:57 +1000
From:      Da Rock <freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au>
To:        freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: FreeBSD Security in Multiuser Environments
Message-ID:  <4F797BA9.6010204@herveybayaustralia.com.au>
In-Reply-To: <20120402163942.K2060@sola.nimnet.asn.au>
References:  <20120401045919.246CE1065672@hub.freebsd.org> <20120402163942.K2060@sola.nimnet.asn.au>

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On 04/02/12 17:48, Ian Smith wrote:
> In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 408, Issue 10, Message: 5
> On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 21:05:00 +0700 Erich Dollansky<erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com>  wrote:
>   >  On Saturday 31 March 2012 20:26:14 Julian H. Stacey wrote:
> [..]
>   >  >  Da Rock wrote:
>   >  >  >  On 03/31/12 17:46, Julian H. Stacey wrote:
> [..]
>   >  >  >  >  schultz@ime.usp.br wrote:
>   >  >  >  >>  Hello,
>   >  >  >  >>
>   >  >  >  >>  I would like to raise a discussion about the security features
>   >  >  >  >>  of FreeBSD as a whole and how they might be employed to actually
>   >  >  >  >>  derive some meaningful guarantees.
>
>   >  >  >  >  We have a list specialy for freebsd-security@. Please use it.
>
> I thought this to be sensible advice.  Before seeing that I'd thought of
> copying it to rwatson@ who I figured might take an interest due to his
> involvement with Capsicum, acl(3) and such, but he certainly reads that
> list anyway (and more than likely, not this one :)
>
>   >  >  >  Hang on, hold the phone: The security list (specifically) is for
>   >  >  >  security announcements. At least that what it said when I subscribed to
>   >  >  >  it...
>   >  >
>   >  >  Wrong.
>
> Correct :)

So thats turn left, right? Clear as mud now... :)
>
>   >  >  For list of mail lists see:
>   >  >  	http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo
>   >  >
>   >  >  Specifically:
>   >  >  	freebsd-security@freebsd.org
>   >  >  	http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-security
>   >  >
>   >  >  	freebsd-security-notifications@freebsd.org
>   >  >  	http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-security-notifications
>
>   >  this sounds very confusing for people who have simple question:
>   >
>   >  'General system administrator questions of an FAQ nature are
>   >  off-topic for this list, but the creation and maintenance of a FAQ is
>   >  on-topic. Thus, the submission of questions (with answers) for
>   >  inclusion into the FAQ is welcome. Such question/answer sets should
>   >  be clearly marked as (at least "FAQ submission") such in the subject.
>   >  '
>
> schultz' post was nothing in the way of an FAQ issue, but a request for
> discussion of a wide range of system security issues, far indeed from a
> 'simple question'.  Had you posted the two paragraphs before the one you
> quote above, this may have been a little clearer.  To wit:
>
> "This is a technical discussion list covering FreeBSD security issues.
> The intention is for the list to contain a high-signal, low-noise
> discussion of issues affecting the security of FreeBSD.
I think that has clarified things sufficiently now. Looks like I should 
subscribe to that list too.



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