From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 1 10:44:42 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 908E5D6A for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2014 10:44:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-la0-x22f.google.com (mail-la0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c03::22f]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1A5E9FF4 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2014 10:44:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f47.google.com with SMTP id pn19so2524461lab.20 for ; Tue, 01 Apr 2014 03:44:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=M/tplUTtLHE2yAxBk9EtLsPEN/hHRjGzzr+/7iebQSI=; b=RYiqVmfrSX9+mPaDMdadJ8EQ6LNXPmtiTAqG5IEW+K3VgeqFwcGHUisTAkYZZdi1g3 +EuDoAF8VrlxHcWYIIiOE06pHSDDl4p5zgQ03LTVNbSW8BWHquEFSKWFVE13duQy0aDJ 7RGXpBUPxDX8GFNsptZzmboIMOMYPGS1b2Epxjr2mk8v/86Xdv9XNL7h8TCPfXlZ5G1N FueNAqQFopISFDX+IrEYp/K+ePYviUKSul4h+trOTwotrnd5qGuXRBaiGkDLk7iIz2cu D/H8EVaTCEY6qAb82LbwSw2WKHd1Yn1jwD+qi3Hit1j0x9FLE8G52MvB44yU9C6AdeV1 u8NQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.18.135 with SMTP id w7mr5980659lad.29.1396349079857; Tue, 01 Apr 2014 03:44:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.129.164 with HTTP; Tue, 1 Apr 2014 03:44:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20140401094044.GX44074@e-new.0x20.net> References: <20140401094044.GX44074@e-new.0x20.net> Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 11:44:39 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Leaving the Desktop Market From: Tom Evans Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: "freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2014 10:44:42 -0000 On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 10:40 AM, Lars Engels wrote: > > I'm a happy FreeBSD desktop user since 4.7. There are some edges, but I > really like that I can can create a desktop the way _I_ want it and my > mail client even allows me to break lines at 80 chars. Eat that, Apple > Mail! ;-) I'm also a happy camper with FreeBSD and X. I use FreeBSD as my primary work environment, running on a laptop. I use FreeBSD as my HTPC, recording TV shows, transcoding content and streaming it to my iStuff. I use FreeBSD as my primary desktop at home. You do need to make some smart choices about what hardware you buy (when has it not been thus when you want to run an open OS?) Better power management than just powerd is possible, you need to disable any device you are using that you don't need, and tweak a few things specific to your laptop - Alexander Motin got his laptop to exceed his windows run time., with many tweaks. That is, if you care about it - I don't, as I'm always docked or in a meeting room with power. I feel there is no need for FreeBSD to compete with Linux. The main benefit of FreeBSD to me is that (almost) everything is documented, it is documented in a coherent and consistent manner, there is only one "flavour" of FreeBSD; if it is a FreeBSD system I know where the OS conf lives, where the userland conf lives. To compete with Linux desktop OS would take a huge amount of polish that is just not justified for users like me, I'm very happy with the amount of polish that we currently have (thank you Xorg team for NEW_XORG!). FreeBSD has enough in it that other projects (PC-BSD) can use FreeBSD as a base and provide that polish. Cheers Tom PS 4k content editing is already supported by ffmpeg, which compiles without problems with clang/llvm on 10+.