From owner-freebsd-chat Wed May 30 21: 7:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from grumpy.dyndns.org (user-24-214-76-217.knology.net [24.214.76.217]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B395237B424 for ; Wed, 30 May 2001 21:07:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dkelly@grumpy.dyndns.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grumpy.dyndns.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f4V43kx26303; Wed, 30 May 2001 23:03:47 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dkelly@grumpy.dyndns.org) Message-Id: <200105310403.f4V43kx26303@grumpy.dyndns.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.3.1 01/18/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Rahul Siddharthan Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: David Kelly Subject: Re: IPFilter not free software? In-reply-to: Message from Rahul Siddharthan of "Wed, 30 May 2001 11:28:48 +0200." <20010530112848.H57297@lpt.ens.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 23:03:46 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Rahul Siddharthan writes: > Let's take a better known example: Microsoft. In 1995 they used BSD > code for their networking in Windows 95. They widely trumpeted the > networking features in their advertisements (the Internet was just > catching on, and Windows 3.1 didn't have any inbuilt internet > capability). I don't recall any acknowledgement of UCB in Microsoft's > advertisements. Was that, or was it not, a violation of the > advertising clause (which had not yet been removed at that time)? > > My claim is that the advertising clause would have been violated more > often than honoured, even by well-meaning people. Moreover, it was > inconsistent with the goal of allowing the maximum number of people to > use the software with the least amount of hassle. Dropping it was a > good thing. Think it was NT 3.51 which had a "portions copyright BSD" (or some such) message in the text displayed during boot, which was momentarily before they fired up the graphics. Have heard more than one claim that "NT is MS-BSD" with nothing but that little copyright notice as evidence. As a result this is what I always think of when "BSD advertising clause removal" comes up. That BSD was embarrased by being associated with Microsoft and removed the requirement for everyone. Not that I know anything. But the time line is about right. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message