From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 9 14:08:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DB85106566B; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 14:08:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mark@exonetric.com) Received: from relay0.exonetric.net (relay0.exonetric.net [178.250.72.161]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37A458FC1A; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 14:08:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [172.16.0.142] (94-30-105-106.xdsl.murphx.net [94.30.105.106]) by relay0.exonetric.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C0FA57012; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 14:46:03 +0100 (BST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: Mark Blackman In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 14:45:14 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: References: <4FF2E00E.2030502@FreeBSD.org> <86bojxow6x.fsf@ds4.des.no> <89AB703D-E075-4AAC-AC1B-B358CC4E4E7F@lists.zabbadoz.net> <4FF8C3A1.9080805@FreeBSD.org> <20472.51031.308284.775990@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4FF8C890.9030408@FreeBSD.org> <4FFA7174.7050604@FreeBSD.org> <4FFA7980.4000707@FreeBSD.org> To: Avleen Vig X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Cc: "Bjoern A. Zeeb" , FreeBSD Hackers , Doug Barton , Garrett Wollman , =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?= Subject: Re: Replacing BIND with unbound (Was: Re: Pull in upstream before 9.1 code freeze?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 14:08:08 -0000 On 9 Jul 2012, at 08:34, Avleen Vig wrote: > > Agreed. The idea of a "minimally functional system" itself might be > flawed. Do you consider having `dig` and `host` essential in a > minimally functioning system? I do. > It's pretty f'king hard to resolve problems with installing the > bind-utils port, if you don't know how to test your DNS :-) > > The issue is also one of barrier-to-entry. By removing `dig` and > `host`, I think we're making things unnecessarily more difficult for > people who don't *know* FreeBSD. `dig` and `host` a universally > standard tools for doing DNS lookups. Taking them away in base to > replace them with something else just seems like something that won't > really *help* users. Indeed, 'dig' and 'host' must be present and working as expected in a minimally installed system. - Mark