From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 10 08:25:14 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2F1E16A4CE for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:25:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from storm.uk.FreeBSD.org (storm.uk.FreeBSD.org [194.242.157.42]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DDD143D39 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:25:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mark@grondar.org) Received: from storm.uk.FreeBSD.org (uucp@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by storm.uk.FreeBSD.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1A8PBfD047906; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:25:11 GMT (envelope-from mark@grondar.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost)j1A8PAgq047905; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:25:10 GMT (envelope-from mark@grondar.org) Received: from grondar.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grovel.grondar.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1A8KEtM032988; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:20:14 GMT (envelope-from mark@grondar.org) Message-Id: <200502100820.j1A8KEtM032988@grovel.grondar.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.7.0 06/18/2004 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Erich Dollansky From: Mark Murray In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:11:12 +0800." <420AD0D0.9030800@pacific.net.sg> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:20:14 +0000 Sender: mark@grondar.org cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The FreeBSD Project is announcing a public competition for the new logo design. ???? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:25:14 -0000 Erich Dollansky writes: > The EU is starting a procedure to ban the swastika from use as it was > used by some 100 million nazis and most of them are meanwhile dead. The > EU is totally ignoring the fact that some 2 billion people are using it > as a religious symbol. This is slightly overstating the situation. Certainly the "hakenkreuz" is illegal in the form that the nazis used it, but the Buddhist(Hindu?) form is comaparatively rare in EU, and is thus being kinda ignored, to its detriment. There is recognition of this fact, and publicity is helping to educate the right folks. > The same things happens here too. A minority is making a lot of noise > and the majority is expected to move. Outright crap. This is conspiracy theory rubbish. > People who do not like the new logo should come up with the same reasons > against the new one. It is alsways possible with this kind of arguments > to be against everything. Huh? There _are_ concerns about the controversial nature of Beastie, as well as his reproducability. We need a logo that is 1) Simple to reproduce at all sizes and with limited colours. The current images of Beastie (used where a simple, FreeBSD-specific logo would be more appropriate) is hard to reproduce on marketing materials because its too complex for the printing process, and doesn't scale well to small icons and/or large graphics. 2) Non-controversial. We want a logo that manufacturers can put on their box next to a sign that says "Works with FreeBSD", and we dont want to get blowback from the company saying "When we put the devil on the box, we got boatloads of letters complaining". What would happen if the religious swastika was used as a manufacturing logo on (say) T-shirts sold in Israel or USA (assuming its not banned there). I suggest it would be a marketing disaster when folks who don't know the difference kick up a fuss, and is thus a LOUSY choice for a logo, even though it is not used as a nazi symbol. THIS is what the logo competition is about. Beastie the mascot is here to stay. M -- Mark Murray iumop ap!sdn w,I idlaH