From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jul 17 10:53:00 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA06707 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 10:53:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from toadflax.cs.ucdavis.edu (toadflax.cs.ucdavis.edu [128.120.56.188]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA06702 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 10:52:58 -0700 (PDT) From: obrien@cs.ucdavis.edu Received: from kongur (kongur.cs.ucdavis.edu) by toadflax.cs.ucdavis.edu (4.1/UCD.CS.2.6) id AA29223; Wed, 17 Jul 96 10:52:56 PDT Received: by kongur (SMI-8.6/UCDCS.SECLAB.Solaris2-2.0) id KAA05601; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 10:53:42 -0700 Message-Id: <199607171753.KAA05601@kongur> Subject: Re: Opinions? To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 10:53:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <199607171610.JAA05923@MindBender.HeadCandy.com> from "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" at Jul 17, 96 09:10:54 am X-Pgp-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8b] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > >I'm still trying to understand why people think they have to run NT. > >There are other options, like FreeBSD and OS/2. A lot cheaper and not > >made by Microsoft. > > > Intel, MIPS, DEC Alpha and PowerPC architectures. It is a lot easier > to administer than a Unix box. It is more secure than OS/2 (certified Bull%*&t! [I used to administer an NT and Unix network] Individual workstations are, but it doesn't scale well for administration. For one, you cannot administer as much of NT remotely as you can Unix. An administer cannot assume anyone's identity. So every time a user has a configuration problem you have to make an appointment with the user to come to their office, sit down with them, watch them login and then have them step aside so you can investigate the problem -- a big waste of time! With Unix, I get an email that someone has an environment problem. I simply cd to their home dir and look at their dot files. Or ``su'' to them if nessicary. Shoot, even for users to change the resolution on their screen, they had to come to me -- a normal user can't do this. Also, you can ``su'' to root. So I was either logging out tons of times a day to then login as administrator, or I have myself administrator privs. Thus I was logged in as "root" all the time. Not a Good Thing. Also, by default administrators doesn't have priv. in people's home dirs, or have write priv. for applications installed by others. Need to do a little ``du'' action to find the disk hogs? Can't. Simply do a "chmod -R administrator+rwx /" you think. Nope, not unless you know about the secret ``cacls'' command line program (which took me 4 months to find). The "official" way to change file/dir permissions is filemanager. Filemanager only has the = or octal syntax of chmod. Thus no modify the current perms, only straight assignment. Thus you have to go into hundreds of dirs to give the administrator even read privs. This comes to my next point. The admin tools that come with NT stink! The event view has the WORST user interface I've seen. Worse than the typical HTML home page where you have to follow tons of links to get to any content and to the next non-content free page. NT's event viewer uses only 20% of the available screen to show you /var/log/messages entries (one at a time). Takes for ever to read the event log. -- David (obrien@cs.ucdavis.edu)