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But the pro version is too expensive for me. :( On Tue, Apr 4, 2023 at 4:23=E2=80=AFPM Dmitry Salychev wro= te: > > Mario Marietto writes: > > > Hello, > > > > I see that the Pinebook pro is very expensive for me. Can I collaborate > with you if I bought this version of the PinePhone ? > > > > > https://pine64.com/product/pinephone-beta-edition-with-convergence-packag= e/ > > PinePhone (not Pro) is built on Allwinner A64 (4xCortex A53). Compare it > to Rockchip RK3399S (2xA72 + 4xA53) of the Pro version. There'll be > different device trees for those models and it's curious to me how > different those models are in terms of devices/drivers available in > FreeBSD. > > You can definitely buy it, but be prepared that we'll need to prioritize > if the actual development will be planned. Personally, I'd pay attention > to the Pro model. > > Regards, > Dmitry > > > > > On Tue, Apr 4, 2023 at 11:57=E2=80=AFAM Dmitry Salychev wrote: > > > > Mario Marietto writes: > > > > > PineTime is interesting and it is in my budget. I could buy it and > then try to play a little bit with it. Maybe FreeBSD can be installed > > there ? > > > or Linux ? > > > > PineTime is built upon nRF52832 (64 MHz Cortex-M4) which doesn't have > > MMU. So, no FreeBSD or Linux can be used there (uCLinux is an exceptio= n, > > but 64 KiB of RAM isn't enough). > > > > Details: https://forum.pine64.org/showthread.php?tid=3D8112 > > > > Regards, > > Dmitry > > > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 4, 2023 at 11:29=E2=80=AFAM Dmitry Salychev > wrote: > > > > > > Marcin Cieslak writes: > > > > > > > [[S/MIME Signed Part:Undecided]] > > > > On Tue, 4 Apr 2023, Dmitry Salychev wrote: > > > > > > > >>> I think you should be prepared to build your own image. > > > >>> With FreeBSD it is not very difficult (I find it easier than in > > > >>> the Linux world). > > > >>> > > > >>> Marcin > > > >>> > > > >>> [[End of S/MIME Signed Part]] > > > >> > > > >> I'd take their device tree and try to boot GENERIC kernel for > arm64 in > > > >> order to get an idea which drivers are missing: > > > >> > > > >> # dmesg | grep "no driver" | grep -v "disabled" > > > >> > > > >> Pete, are you going to keep your findings somewhere? I don't hav= e > > > >> PinePhone Pro at the moment, but would like to follow and can > support > > > >> with customizing your kernel. > > > > > > > > Now thinking about getting one, too.. Maybe wiki.freeebsd.org > could be the place > > > > to keep notes? > > > > > > > > saper > > > > > > > > [[End of S/MIME Signed Part]] > > > > > > Btw, it has almost nothing to do with the FreeBSD itself, but I > recently > > > received PineTime (both sealed one and a devkit) as a gift and can > say > > > that it's quite good in terms of PCB/assembling quality. Their > FreeRTOS-based > > > OS works surprisingly good as well. If the PinePhone Pro is similar= , > > > it's worth bringing FreeBSD there. > > > > > > +1 for notes kept at wiki.freebsd.org > > > > > > Regards, > > > Dmitry > > > > > > -- > > > Open source software/hardware enthusiast > > > hackaday.io/dsl | github.com/mcusim | patreon.com/salychev > > > > -- > > Open source software/hardware enthusiast > > hackaday.io/dsl | github.com/mcusim | patreon.com/salychev > > > -- > Open source software/hardware enthusiast > hackaday.io/dsl | github.com/mcusim | patreon.com/salychev > --=20 Mario. --000000000000c82af705f92405b2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I know. But the pro version is too expensive for me. :(

On Tue, Apr 4, 2023 at 4:23=E2=80=AFPM Dmitry Salychev <dsl@mcusim.org> wrote:

Mario Marietto <marietto2008@gmail.com> writes:

> Hello,
>
> I see that the Pinebook pro is very expensive for me. Can I collaborat= e with you if I bought this version of the PinePhone ?
>
> https://pine64.com/p= roduct/pinephone-beta-edition-with-convergence-package/

PinePhone (not Pro) is built on Allwinner A64 (4xCortex A53). Compare it to Rockchip RK3399S (2xA72 + 4xA53) of the Pro version. There'll be
different device trees for those models and it's curious to me how
different those models are in terms of devices/drivers available in
FreeBSD.

You can definitely buy it, but be prepared that we'll need to prioritiz= e
if the actual development will be planned. Personally, I'd pay attentio= n
to the Pro model.

Regards,
Dmitry

>
> On Tue, Apr 4, 2023 at 11:57=E2=80=AFAM Dmitry Salychev <dsl@mcusim.org> wrote:
>
>=C2=A0 Mario Marietto <marietto2008@gmail.com> writes:
>
>=C2=A0 > PineTime is interesting and it is in my budget. I could buy= it and then try to play a little bit with it. Maybe FreeBSD can be install= ed
>=C2=A0 there ?
>=C2=A0 > or Linux ?
>
>=C2=A0 PineTime is built upon nRF52832 (64 MHz Cortex-M4) which doesn&#= 39;t have
>=C2=A0 MMU. So, no FreeBSD or Linux can be used there (uCLinux is an ex= ception,
>=C2=A0 but 64 KiB of RAM isn't enough).
>
>=C2=A0 Details: https://forum.pine64.org/show= thread.php?tid=3D8112
>
>=C2=A0 Regards,
>=C2=A0 Dmitry
>
>=C2=A0 >
>=C2=A0 > On Tue, Apr 4, 2023 at 11:29=E2=80=AFAM Dmitry Salychev <= ;dsl@mcusim.org>= wrote:
>=C2=A0 >
>=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 Marcin Cieslak <saper@saper.info> writes:
>=C2=A0 >
>=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > [[S/MIME Signed Part:Undecided]]
>=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > On Tue, 4 Apr 2023, Dmitry Salychev wrote:
>=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >
>=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >>> I think you should be prepared to build = your own image.
>=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >>> With FreeBSD it is not very difficult (I= find it easier than in
>=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >>> the Linux world).
>=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >>>
>=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >>> Marcin
>=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >>>
>=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >>> [[End of S/MIME Signed Part]]
>=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >>
>=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >> I'd take their device tree and try to bo= ot GENERIC kernel for arm64 in
>=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >> order to get an idea which drivers are missi= ng:
>=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >>
>=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >> # dmesg | grep "no driver" | grep = -v "disabled"
>=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >>
>=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >> Pete, are you going to keep your findings so= mewhere? I don't have
>=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >> PinePhone Pro at the moment, but would like = to follow and can support
>=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >> with customizing your kernel.
>=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >
>=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > Now thinking about getting one, too.. Maybe wiki.= freeebsd.org could be the place
>=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > to keep notes?
>=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >
>=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > saper
>=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >
>=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > [[End of S/MIME Signed Part]]
>=C2=A0 >
>=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 Btw, it has almost nothing to do with the FreeBSD its= elf, but I recently
>=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 received PineTime (both sealed one and a devkit) as a= gift and can say
>=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 that it's quite good in terms of PCB/assembling q= uality. Their FreeRTOS-based
>=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 OS works surprisingly good as well. If the PinePhone = Pro is similar,
>=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 it's worth bringing FreeBSD there.
>=C2=A0 >
>=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 +1 for notes kept at wiki.freebsd.org
>=C2=A0 >
>=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 Regards,
>=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 Dmitry
>=C2=A0 >
>=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 --
>=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 Open source software/hardware enthusiast
>=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 hackaday.io/dsl | github.com/mcusim | patreon.c= om/salychev
>
>=C2=A0 --
>=C2=A0 Open source software/hardware enthusiast
>=C2=A0 hackaday.io/dsl | github.com/mcusim | patreon.com/salychev=


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