From owner-freebsd-security Sun Feb 10 22:10:33 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-security@freebsd.org Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 741D637B400 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 22:10:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from blossom.cjclark.org ([12.234.91.48]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020211061030.JDIB1672.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@blossom.cjclark.org>; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 06:10:30 +0000 Received: (from cjc@localhost) by blossom.cjclark.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g1B6ATf21891; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 22:10:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cjc) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 22:10:29 -0800 From: "Crist J. Clark" To: "f.johan.beisser" Cc: Bill Vermillion , security@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Is the technique described in this article do-able with Message-ID: <20020210221029.A20884@blossom.cjclark.org> References: <20020210231559.GA2136@wjv.com> <20020210190958.B21734-100000@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020210190958.B21734-100000@localhost>; from jan@caustic.org on Sun, Feb 10, 2002 at 07:18:31PM -0800 X-URL: http://people.freebsd.org/~cjc/ Sender: owner-freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Feb 10, 2002 at 07:18:31PM -0800, f.johan.beisser wrote: > On Sun, 10 Feb 2002, Bill Vermillion wrote: > > > Hardcopy is fairly hard to search with a text editor though :-) > > 2 copies. one electronic, so you can do a grep on it :) > > > If you worry about the logs being alterable - and you did suggest > > logging to a second machine - then you have a real problem with > > security I'd guess. You could always run chflags on the logging > > machine to make the logs append only. Wouldn't that take care > > of the problem of being alterable without having to use hardcopy? > > not really. you can change chflags on a live machine. How do you do it when there is an elevated securelevel(8)? -- Crist J. Clark | cjclark@alum.mit.edu | cjclark@jhu.edu http://people.freebsd.org/~cjc/ | cjc@freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-security" in the body of the message