From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 17 21:24:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 599B2106566C for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 21:24:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from miciamail@hotmail.it) Received: from blu0-omc2-s29.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s29.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.104]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FBDF8FC0A for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 21:24:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BLU0-SMTP69 ([65.55.111.72]) by blu0-omc2-s29.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 17 Sep 2012 14:23:22 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [78.13.110.33] X-EIP: [JMqJVb0U0dK0KLPEJ6FI5Lvq0ONJfra0] X-Originating-Email: [miciamail@hotmail.it] Message-ID: Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([78.13.110.33]) by BLU0-SMTP69.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 17 Sep 2012 14:23:21 -0700 Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 23:19:30 +0200 From: Lorenzo Cogotti User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120729 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Meyer References: <63507.1347905101@critter.freebsd.dk> <780dc598-48eb-4bb8-9585-3a9c551fbb80@email.android.com> In-Reply-To: <780dc598-48eb-4bb8-9585-3a9c551fbb80@email.android.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Sep 2012 21:23:21.0833 (UTC) FILETIME=[AA0DC590:01CD951A] Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Providing a default graphical environment on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 21:24:30 -0000 Il 17/09/2012 22:55, Mike Meyer ha scritto: > You requested that this work be done. Then you did it again in several places, the first one being here: > [...] Maybe I did (as you might notice my English is not very good :) ), but I thought it was clear that I'd like to cooperate in this. > Without someone actually *doing the work* of making sure that SunDEW or whatever works well and is perfectly documented, then declaring "Our preferred DE is SunDEW" is pointless. [...] Yes, there must be some work done of course, it requires some effort.. >> - You want to use FreeBSD official environment? >> Good, you'll get official utilities for FreeBSD and you are ensured a >> certain amount of support and stability from your system, since that's >> the official environment. > And who's going to write these? Just declaring a standard won't make them magically appear, and won't make developers who prefer something else suddenly start writing for the standard. It's standard for FreeBSD, so I guess that work should be done by the documentation team or by some developer. That's why I wanted to discuss it in the mailing list, because it can't be an isolated effort. The major benefit would be for FreeBSD to start supporting desktop environments by providing GUI implementations of their tools, rather than text only ones, of course third party devs could use whatever they want (though they could be encouraged by the documentation to use that one for their FreeBSD projects). > It's not a bad thing. It's just pointless until there's someone > willing to do the work to make it happen. Since it's always going to > be in ports (because it will require X or similar), the previously > suggested path of working with the PCBSD people (who actually want to > support a desktop environment) to develop it and then get it > integrated into ports is a good one. Well, the idea was making FreeBSD more friendly over desktop installations, I was hesitant into using PCBSD for this because I just like FreeBSD ports system and package management much more, as I like the fact that it's closer to UNIX (in my opinion). I cannot say I expected a good "welcoming" of this suggestion, but I thought it was worth discussing it anyway :) Thanks for sharing your opinions on this. -- Lorenzo Cogotti