From owner-freebsd-arch Tue Jul 16 10: 4:34 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0A5837B400 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 10:04:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from blackhelicopters.org (geburah.blackhelicopters.org [209.69.178.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53D5343E3B for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 10:04:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org) Received: from blackhelicopters.org (mwlucas@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by blackhelicopters.org (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g6GH4QcC016214; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 13:04:26 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by blackhelicopters.org (8.12.4/8.12.4/Submit) id g6GH4QPf016213; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 13:04:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 13:04:26 -0400 From: Michael Lucas To: Garance A Drosihn Cc: Mark Valentine , freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: scripting language in base system? Message-ID: <20020716130426.A16051@blackhelicopters.org> References: <200207160340.g6G3eOw1024171@dotar.thuvia.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from drosih@rpi.edu on Tue, Jul 16, 2002 at 12:35:55PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Jul 16, 2002 at 12:35:55PM -0400, Garance A Drosihn wrote: > > > This is an unwinnable debate, imo. (Picking this message to respond to, out of the many in this thread): Guys, Might I suggest a thinking sideways to some of this? There's a difference between "included in the base install" and "installed by default." Perl is not in the base system, but it is installed by default. We could tack a menu into sysinstall, much like the current Perl sysinstall option: "Would you like to install the tools to upgrade your FreeBSD installation?" If they say "Yes" we then install cvsup (without X if no X is installed), portupgrade, and attendant paraphenalia. This gives us the ability to support our users more easily, while satisfying the sed-scarred vets. From an advocacy and support view, this would make life much simpler. ("You're an ignorant newbie who took the defaults? Don't worry, these tools are installed.") OK, I'll shut up now. ==ml -- Michael Lucas mwlucas@FreeBSD.org, mwlucas@BlackHelicopters.org http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/q/Big_Scary_Daemons Absolute BSD: http://www.nostarch.com/abs_bsd.htm To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message