From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 5 03:38:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CD6516A623 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 03:38:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from ext-gw.lemis.com (ext-gw.lemis.com [150.101.14.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E84F043D46 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 03:38:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.135]) by ext-gw.lemis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCEF0131E05; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 13:08:21 +0930 (CST) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BFC1286F5A; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 13:08:21 +0930 (CST) Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 13:08:21 +0930 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= Message-ID: <20060605033821.GH50579@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <447E9540.2020003@io.dk> <200606011357.11990.aren.tyr@gawab.com> <447F0062.8060302@daleco.biz> <20060601144317.47402556@hydrocodone.org> <867j3z3om6.fsf@xps.des.no> <20060603093810.601366af@hydrocodone.org> <86odx9pe3w.fsf@dwp.des.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="PWfwoUCx3AFJRUBq" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <86odx9pe3w.fsf@dwp.des.no> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 VoIP: sip:0871270137@sip.internode.on.net WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 Cc: Allen , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: The Real UNIX? (was: The Unix Haters Handbook) X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 03:38:25 -0000 --PWfwoUCx3AFJRUBq Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sunday, 4 June 2006 at 9:35:47 +0200, Dag-Erling Smrgrav wrote: > Allen writes: >> Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav writes: >>> Allen writes: >>>> Technically FreeBSD has more right than SCO UNIX to be called UNIX >>> No. Unlike FreeBSD, SCO UnixWare is a direct descendent of the >>> original AT&T Unix. >> >> So is / was Free BSD. That's why AT&T sued. > > It's not quite that simple. Even at the time of the lawsuit, BSD had > very little AT&T code in it, and the lawsuit was sparked primarily by > BSDI's unauthorized use of the Unix trademark. Read this: > > http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/opensources/book/kirkmck.html There's a difference between technical and commercial rights. Allen was referring to the technical issues. How much code is in the source base is one issue, but I don't know if I'd call it technical. During the attack on IBM, SCO accidentally revealed that the base System V malloc is still the same as the Seventh Edition malloc (something so horrible that BSD rewrote it decades ago, and Linux people threw it out for ugliness without knowing the origin). But is that the technical aspect we mean? Throughout the 1980s System V borrowed heavily from 4.[23]BSD. The Eighth Edition of Research UNIX was derived from 4.1cBSD. From that perspective, I'd really be inclined to think that BSD has more claim to be the real UNIX than Missed'em V has. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers. --PWfwoUCx3AFJRUBq Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFEg6ctIubykFB6QiMRAsCYAJ9kz7nsvjWkwPq2r84SxWPC/osLOACePDso nPH56y1G/sPqHYOn9g8zxWw= =6l7g -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --PWfwoUCx3AFJRUBq--