From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 2 19:51:30 2001 From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 2 19:51:28 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mage.trollkarl.net (fw.trollkarl.net [207.167.5.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C0AA37B699 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 19:51:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from trollkarl.skafte.org (root@trollkarl [192.168.100.16]) by mage.trollkarl.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f033pHC13470 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 20:51:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from skafte@trollkarl.net) Received: (from skafte@localhost) by trollkarl.skafte.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f033pGW13367 for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 20:51:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from skafte) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 20:51:16 -0700 From: Greg Skafte To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: vinum malfunction! Message-ID: <20010102205116.A13254@trollkarl.skafte.org> References: <20001231101426.K99806@wantadilla.lemis.com> <20010102092819.K44043@wantadilla.lemis.com> <978425185.3a519561dbcdb@webmail.harmonic.co.il> <20010102193241.C40453@wantadilla.lemis.com> <978427080.3a519cc850a45@webmail.harmonic.co.il> <20010102034408.B56810@peorth.iteration.net> <978438556.3a51c99cea732@webmail.harmonic.co.il> <20010103104724.H40453@wantadilla.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010103104724.H40453@wantadilla.lemis.com>; from grog@lemis.com on Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 10:47:24AM +1030 Organization: Gregs Hidey Hole Sender: skafte@trollkarl.net Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In the past when I've had vinum problems, if I followed Greg's instructions, he has been very helpful. As he has stated numerous times he _needs_ the information he's asked for in the format he asked for, or he won't be able to help. I've yet to have vinum cause data loss, but I'm not running raid 5 either, just mirroring. If I've needed raid 5 or raid 50 then I've needed the whole machine to be raid 5/50 including the root/boot partition. As has been pointed out, this is young, and experimental software not nearly the milage that veritas has, or hp's lvm, or the aix equivalent. Its maintained on a volunteer pro-bono basis. Also, any opensource or even closed source solution need to be tested and verified for their suitability. Software Raid works well if you've tested it in your enviorment, Suns disk suite comes to mind on my sparcs, I've had hardware raid cards fail and eat everything also. In a _mission_ critical enviroment you need to have a recovery plan. Not having one is poor practice. Not have proper backs is even poorer practice. Free software does not imply no cost. If the expertise aren't availible to support this free stuff then there is going to be a substantial cost in lost productivity and lost data. I now return you to your regularily scheduled noise..... -- Email: skafte@trollkarl.net ICQ: 93234105 #575 Sun Life Place * 10123 99 Street * Edmonton, AB * Canada * T5J 3H1 -- -- When things can't get any worse, they simplify themselves by getting a whole lot worse then complicated. A complete and utter disaster is the simplest thing in the world; it's preventing one that's complex. (Janet Morris) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message