From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 17 18:58:43 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58715106566C for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 18:58:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from julian@freebsd.org) Received: from vps1.elischer.org (vps1.elischer.org [204.109.63.16]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B15F8FC14 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 18:58:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from julian-mac.elischer.org (c-67-180-24-15.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [67.180.24.15]) (authenticated bits=0) by vps1.elischer.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q0HIwfgs096595 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 17 Jan 2012 10:58:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from julian@freebsd.org) Message-ID: <4F15C520.6090200@freebsd.org> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 10:59:44 -0800 From: Julian Elischer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X 10.4; en-US; rv:1.9.2.25) Gecko/20111213 Thunderbird/3.1.17 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Damien Fleuriot References: <4F15B1AA.4020400@my.gd> In-Reply-To: <4F15B1AA.4020400@my.gd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD has serious problems with focus, longevity, and lifecycle X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 18:58:43 -0000 On 1/17/12 9:36 AM, Damien Fleuriot wrote: > > On 1/17/12 4:39 PM, Mark Felder wrote: >> Why is everyone so afraid of running -STABLE? Plenty of stuff gets >> MFC'd. Yeah, I agree -- running -RELEASE is difficult. Hell, it's >> frustrating to us that VMWare only supports -RELEASE and it took until >> ESX 5 to officially support 8.2! >> >> More releases / snapshots of -STABLE helps people on physical servers, >> but anyone who runs VMs on Xen or VMWare won't get any support for those >> versions because they didn't go through the QA process yet. FreeBSD is >> increasingly becoming a third world citizen thanks to virtualization >> efforts being focused on Linux, so I feel that more frequent releases >> won't help as many people as you think. >> > Running FBSD in a *production* environment means you want something > stable and tested. > > -STABLE does not fulfill the requirements I'm afraid. > > We've had to downgrade some boxes from 8.2-STABLE to -RELEASE here. then you went the wrong way and your process is flawed. having run -stable on production systems, the way to do it is: * follow -stable.. * pick a time that IN RETROSPECT (from 1 month later) looks as though it was good. * take a snapshot from that time and test it. * if it has problems MOVE FORWARD (not back) to the next candidate snapshot time. * repeat until you have one that works for you > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >