From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 31 23:51:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 159BF16A4DE for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 23:51:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ted.unangst@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.171]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8ADD43D45 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 23:51:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ted.unangst@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m2so792185uge for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 16:51:42 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=sSUDht9FG4mtm8jPVey3oHgf1EHKl9ibg1hSlutYMSTzQTWFqieq4LQjtUBMIBng7+KtYXcF6V7jZ0Pw6UQea1CCbVfiA43hNGDSUwF3si0YisFh58HpaPSEL7vPJ1hMyun+BsYJshKnD8LkoctitS8N/W6xLWz8o+bxPymABTg= Received: by 10.67.89.5 with SMTP id r5mr859233ugl; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 16:51:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.250.15 with HTTP; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 16:51:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4109e9180608311651u78a58baax67e028b350fac227@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 16:51:42 -0700 From: "Ted Unangst" To: "Marc G. Fournier" In-Reply-To: <20060831195609.P82634@hub.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060830232723.GU10101@multics.mit.edu> <98f5a8830608301731s2b0663e3g94b0bd32f8a06a78@mail.gmail.com> <950621ad0608310654h78ae0023g346abd108815ae72@mail.gmail.com> <20060831110112.J82634@hub.org> <20060831184715.B82634@hub.org> <20060831223543.GC15085@jp.animata.net> <20060831195609.P82634@hub.org> Cc: misc@openbsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The future of NetBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 23:51:47 -0000 On 8/31/06, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > Vendors should release documentation, not write drivers. > > In a perfect world, they all would ... this is not a perfect world, it is > one dominated by Linux or Microsoft ... I use Adaptec drivers on 3 of my > servers, because, in 4.x, they were rock solid ... in 6.x, they have a > problem ... I'd like to be able to go out and upgrade those servers to a > vendor that provides "documentation", but its a cost I can't afford at funny. sounds to me like someone could fix the bugs if they had documentation. the sad part is you refuse to learn. you had a driver that used to work and you didn't care that no docs meant you couldn't maintain it. what happened? you got burned. so now you want a new driver that works, but you don't care about getting the docs to assure that it will still work later. i look forward to reading an identical email in 2 years with s/6/8/ and s/4/6/. if your only interest is a driver that works today, you will be reamed on the upgrade every time. *every* time. drivers stop working. documentation doesn't.